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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #640 on: January 13, 2013, 07:19:50 PM »
That is what happens when religion is involved.  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #641 on: January 13, 2013, 07:20:10 PM »

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #642 on: January 13, 2013, 07:21:12 PM »
i am done ,good luck

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #643 on: January 13, 2013, 07:38:40 PM »
i am done ,good luck
Same here but I will leave you with something to ponder.  ;)

"Nor should one identify ethics with religion. Most religions, of course, advocate high ethical standards. Yet if ethics were confined to religion, then ethics would apply only to religious people. But ethics applies as much to the behavior of the atheist as to that of the saint. Religion can set high ethical standards and can provide intense motivations for ethical behavior. Ethics, however, cannot be confined to religion nor is it the same as religion."
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #644 on: January 13, 2013, 07:41:47 PM »
I've tuned out of this thread for quite some time now. Someone please poke me when you guys finally ditch the philosophy, and the next story/scenario comes up for discussion.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #645 on: January 14, 2013, 10:35:59 AM »
Same here but I will leave you with something to ponder.  ;)

"Nor should one identify ethics with religion. Most religions, of course, advocate high ethical standards. Yet if ethics were confined to religion, then ethics would apply only to religious people. But ethics applies as much to the behavior of the atheist as to that of the saint. Religion can set high ethical standards and can provide intense motivations for ethical behavior. Ethics, however, cannot be confined to religion nor is it the same as religion."

That still doesn't answer my sole qualm with "non-religious based" ethics, namely, that they can change at the whim of the manipulator interpreter.

Under your interpretation, I can never call YOU unethical, because, presumably, you are acting ethically according to whatever definition/meaning you ascribe to the term.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #646 on: January 14, 2013, 12:52:28 PM »
I cannot believe you are still having this conversation. I thought both of you were smarter than that
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #647 on: January 14, 2013, 12:53:37 PM »
I cannot believe you are still having this conversation. I thought both of you were smarter than that
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #648 on: January 14, 2013, 12:56:10 PM »
I cannot believe you are still having this conversation. I thought both of you were smarter than that
No way am I going to respond now.  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #649 on: January 14, 2013, 01:41:33 PM »
I cannot believe you are still having this conversation. I thought both of you were smarter than that

 ???

If this discussion is below your standard, no one is forcing you to read it, let alone comment.

This is a rather tricky topic--a topic about which I am curious to hear a perspective that perhaps differs from my own.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #650 on: January 14, 2013, 01:43:06 PM »
???

If this discussion is below your standard, no one is forcing you to read it, let alone comment.

This is a rather tricky topic--a topic about which I am curious to hear a perspective that perhaps differs from my own.
Not below my standard. Just seems a little bit silly to go round and round in circles over and over again when it's clear neither of you are willing to give an inch
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #651 on: January 14, 2013, 01:47:51 PM »
This isn't a battle, and there are no inches to be given.

The main issue seems to simply boil down to my last substantive post on the matter, requoted below for clarity:

That still doesn't answer my sole qualm with "non-religious based" ethics, namely, that they can change at the whim of the manipulator interpreter.

Under your interpretation, I can never call YOU unethical, because, presumably, you are acting ethically according to whatever definition/meaning you ascribe to the term.

The benefit (?) of yielding to a religion as the basis for one's code of ethics is that it is a source that is both unchanging and transcendent. The same cannot be said, as far as I can tell, about a code of ethics that has its source in a single person.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #652 on: January 14, 2013, 01:59:52 PM »
Except that help me has pointed out that religion has been used to justify murder as well
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #653 on: January 14, 2013, 02:05:03 PM »
Except that help me has pointed out that religion has been used to justify murder as well
...and he pointed out that religion can change day to day. EX: Eating meat on Friday.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #654 on: January 14, 2013, 02:11:16 PM »
Except that help me has pointed out that religion has been used to justify murder as well

How does that disprove anything I just said?

...and he pointed out that religion can change day to day. EX: Eating meat on Friday.

Right, and I think therein lies our issue.

Apparently Christianity can change, whereas Judaism does not (as I'm told).
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #655 on: January 14, 2013, 02:16:18 PM »
Right, and I think therein lies our issue.

Apparently Christianity can change, whereas Judaism does not (as I'm told).
That interesting because I thought two Rabbi's can give you two different answers to the same ethical question. I must be mistaken.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #656 on: January 14, 2013, 02:37:18 PM »
whereas Judaism does not (as I'm told).
???
Ever heard of Reform Jews?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #657 on: January 14, 2013, 04:46:19 PM »
???
Ever heard of Reform Jews?
That doesn't mean Judaism changed, it just means some Jews have decided to stop following Judaism fully.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #658 on: January 14, 2013, 06:30:02 PM »
That doesn't mean Judaism changed, it just means some Jews have decided to stop following Judaism fully pretty much altogether.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #659 on: January 14, 2013, 06:32:53 PM »
I've tuned out of this thread for quite some time now. Someone please poke me when you guys finally ditch the philosophy, and the next story/scenario comes up for discussion.
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