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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #760 on: April 03, 2013, 12:28:46 PM »
You really asking?

+1. Its one thing if they didn't ask.... Once they asked.... Send it back.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #761 on: April 03, 2013, 12:43:02 PM »
You really asking?
do they have a reasonable expectation of a return or are they really "meyaesh"? In other words, its not my problem that they screwed up and caused themsel a loss.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #762 on: April 03, 2013, 05:41:59 PM »
do they have a reasonable expectation of a return or are they really "meyaesh"? In other words, its not my problem that they screwed up and caused themsel a loss.
This thread is "Is It Ethical". The answer is clear in your case.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #763 on: April 03, 2013, 06:17:08 PM »
This thread is "Is It Ethical". The answer is clear in your case.
One could define "ethical" as something that is legally required , as you have implied "it has to be in the T&C". I wish I could explain the term "Yiush ba'lim" to you, it would take rivers of ink...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #764 on: April 03, 2013, 06:21:41 PM »
One could define "ethical" as something that is legally required , as you have implied "it has to be in the T&C". I wish I could explain the term "Yiush ba'lim" to you, it would take rivers of ink...
I have the time.  :)

Let’s not confuse ethical and legally. That would be almost as bad as confusing ethics and religion.  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #765 on: April 03, 2013, 06:25:16 PM »
to give an example, If your diamond fell into the deep blue ocean and I find it, there is zero expectation on your behalf of ever seeing it again, would you say that there is an ethical obligation to return the item to the previous owner?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #766 on: April 03, 2013, 06:25:50 PM »
I have the time.  :)

Let’s not confuse ethical and legally. That would be almost as bad as confusing ethics and religion.  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #767 on: April 03, 2013, 06:26:15 PM »
to give an example, If your diamond fell into the deep blue ocean and I find it, there is zero expectation on your behalf of ever seeing it again, would you say that there is an ethical obligation to return the item to the previous owner?
But that  doesn't apply here because they asked for it back so they were expecting it back.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #768 on: April 03, 2013, 06:27:16 PM »
+1. Don't people read the wiki  ::)
Nice, I never read it before.  :-[
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #769 on: April 03, 2013, 06:28:14 PM »
to give an example, If your diamond fell into the deep blue ocean and I find it, there is zero expectation on your behalf of ever seeing it again, would you say that there is an ethical obligation to return the item to the previous owner?
If you knew the owner then yes.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #770 on: April 03, 2013, 06:28:58 PM »
But that  doesn't apply here because they asked for it back so they were expecting it back.
Im asking you for a $10,000. Now what?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #771 on: April 03, 2013, 06:30:00 PM »
If you knew the owner then yes.
He has relinquished all ownership and claims, why give it to him? Give it to the poor!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #772 on: April 03, 2013, 06:33:34 PM »
He has relinquished all ownership and claims, why give it to him? Give it to the poor!
I would be upset if a friend of mine found my diamond and kept it or gave it to anyone but me. And therefore I'd do unto others... and return it if I knew the guy for sure.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #773 on: April 03, 2013, 06:38:46 PM »
Im asking you for a $10,000. Now what?
If you told me "Hi, I gave you 20k instead of 10k that I was supposed to give you by accident please give me back the 10k"...  They are not just saying out of the blue to give back something. You know and they know they sent 2 items by accident.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #774 on: April 03, 2013, 06:40:03 PM »
He has relinquished all ownership and claims, why give it to him? Give it to the poor!
Is it any different than seeing someone drop a $100 bill? Should I pick it up and give it to the poor?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #775 on: April 03, 2013, 06:42:10 PM »
Is it any different than seeing someone drop a $100 bill? Should I pick it up and give it to the poor?
Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #776 on: April 03, 2013, 06:42:55 PM »
Is it any different than seeing someone drop a $100 bill? Should I pick it up and give it to the poor?
I would give it back to the person.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #777 on: April 03, 2013, 06:43:50 PM »
Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....
Correct, but in his case they did not give up hope.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #778 on: April 03, 2013, 06:44:41 PM »
Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....

Well based on the fact that they sent out an email at all I would say they didn't lose hope.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #779 on: April 03, 2013, 06:45:00 PM »
If it is against the T&C's then I would have to say it is not ethical to do.

I checked the TC  on one Chase app
Chase cardmembers who currently have or have had a Chase credit card in any Rewards Program associated with this offer or have received a similar bonus offer, may not be eligible for a second Chase credit card in the same Rewards Program, or for any bonus offer.

It doesnt say are not eligible it says may not be, that gives them the right to hold back the bonus, but it is not clearly saying they wont give it to you or you shouldn't apply.