Is It Ethical?

[CountValentine]

Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....

Please read the Wiki. 

[churnbabychurn]

Well based on the fact that they sent out an email at all I would say they didn't lose hope.

To me the email is a pathetic attempt. I guess I see the world full of unethical(-?) people..

[churnbabychurn]

Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....

I am not discussing the halacha, I am making an argument based on a halachic principle, that it is possible for ones ownership to be totally revoked thereby leaving us with an ethical dilemma.

[CountValentine]

I guess I see the world full of unethical(-?) people..

You are seeing it the way it is.

[jj1000]

I am not discussing the halacha, I am making an argument based on a halachic principle, that it is possible for ones ownership to be totally revoked thereby leaving us with an ethical dilemma.

Churnbaby is basing his logic on a halacha about returning lost objects. The determining factor is if the owner gave up hope on it being returned or not....

Please read the Wiki. 

Uh that is what I told him. Are you following here?

[CountValentine]

Uh that is what I told him. Are you following here?

Please take it slow and I will try and keep up. 

[jj1000]

Please take it slow and I will try and keep up. 

Old timers   

[dans fan]

lots of people make this mistake. yiush apply only to a avaida not by gzaila (i am not implying that you stole it) or a shomer ect... sending something by mail to someone is def not a avaida, yiush would not apply. so yiush does not play a factor here dont base it on that. there are other halochos you can base it on but i dont want to get into it. its been discussed here before

[churnbabychurn]

lots of people make this mistake. yiush apply only to a avaida not by gzaila (i am not implying that you stole it) or a shomer ect... sending something by mail to someone is def not a avaida, yiush would not apply. so yiush does not play a factor here dont base it on that. there are other halochos you can base it on but i dont want to get into it. its been discussed here before

Its not gezeilah and Im not the shomer. In which way is it not an avaida?? They lost it by mistakenly sending it by mail. "Lost" in halacha is not defined as falling out of a pocket. 
IMHO I dont know what your talking about!

[RT]

I had a GC for a restaurant so when I paid my bill was only $50. There is a tip calculator on the bottom of receipt and since only $50 was charged to my cc 18% was about $7, which I gave as a tip (service was lacking..) Should I have given a tip off the entire bill ($200?) Was I wrong?  I can honestly say I did not even think about it till we had left..

[Ergel]

Is it a mandatory 18%? If not, you can tip whatever you want. You are tipping for service and it was lacking, they got more than they deserve

[dans fan]

They lost it by mistakenly sending it by mail.

-1

"Lost" in halacha is not defined as falling out of a pocket. 

lost is defined as unknowingly loosing possession of the item

 
IMHO I dont know what your talking about!

your opinion does not make that its based on halacha.
i highly doubt thats what your opinion is. i am pretty sure that if you owed me $100 and you mailed me a check, then you forgot about the first one and mailed me another one, that you would say you lost it

[churnbabychurn]

-1lost is defined as unknowingly loosing possession of the itemyour opinion does not make that its based on halacha.
i highly doubt thats what your opinion is. i am pretty sure that if you owed me $100 and you mailed me a check, then you forgot about the first one and mailed me another one, that you would say you lost it

zuto shel yam is "unknowingly" losing a possession?
Its a yes or no question.
(Besides, the company "unknowingly" mailed two items anyway.)

[dans fan]

zuto shel yam is "unknowingly" losing a possession?
Its a yes or no question.

no. and evan if you put it in the yam (derech hanacha) its mutar, evan without yiush and the rishonim explain it is considered a avaida, it called avuda mimenu u mikal adam. its a whole different topic 

(Besides, the company "unknowingly" mailed two items anyway.)

dont know why you keep repeating the same thing, they know what they are doing, just making a mistake why they are doing it.

[churnbabychurn]

can you understand that when a company has a computer glitch that causes shipments to ship double it is not the same as me mailing a check to you twice.
IMO they have given up on retrieving their lost inventory. They have lost control over it and shipped it to a whole bunch of probably unethical customers who may or may not read the little pathetic email request to please return the item.

[churnbabychurn]

no. and evan if you put it in the yam (derech hanacha) its mutar, evan without yiush and the rishonim explain it is considered a avaida, it called avuda mimenu u mikal adam. its a whole different topic  dont know why you keep repeating the same thing, they know what they are doing, just making a mistake why they are doing it.

Il argue that dropping things in the mail is considered avuda mimenu...

[real-brisker]

i dont see a difference betwwen the two.

[CountValentine]

I had a GC for a restaurant so when I paid my bill was only $50. There is a tip calculator on the bottom of receipt and since only $50 was charged to my cc 18% was about $7, which I gave as a tip (service was lacking..) Should I have given a tip off the entire bill ($200?) Was I wrong?  I can honestly say I did not even think about it till we had left..

The amount of tip should be based on the total bill.

I was just at Red Lobster (not my choice) and the girl took a half off coupon for all four meals. Needless to say I tipped on the whole bill plus extra for her taking all four coupons.

[dans fan]

Il argue that dropping things in the mail is considered avuda mimenu...

do you know what avuda mimenu u mikal adam means

[RT]

The amount of tip should be based on the total bill.

I was just at Red Lobster (not my choice) and the girl took a half off coupon for all four meals. Needless to say I tipped on the whole bill plus extra for her taking all four coupons.

Now I feel really bad