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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #840 on: April 19, 2013, 12:45:23 PM »
one may not hit. you need a source for a exclusion.  if someone is hitting you or certain fam members it may be a exclusion. if your life is in danger is a exclusion
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #841 on: April 19, 2013, 12:53:47 PM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #842 on: April 19, 2013, 01:18:58 PM »

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #843 on: April 19, 2013, 04:54:06 PM »
this is not a matter of opinion
In halacha you are probably allowed to kill a mugger like a ba bamachteres. Of course you may hit him.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #844 on: April 19, 2013, 05:57:42 PM »
In halacha you are probably allowed to kill a mugger like a ba bamachteres. Of course you may hit him.
one may not hit. you need a source for a exclusion.  if someone is hitting you or certain fam members it may be a exclusion. if your life is in danger is a exclusion

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #845 on: April 19, 2013, 06:18:15 PM »

The discussion was about a mugger in the first place.  ::)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #846 on: April 20, 2013, 09:58:55 PM »
If s/o is taking your money you are allowed to hit him!
There is no diff btwn you or the police in stopping a crime!!!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #847 on: April 20, 2013, 10:43:50 PM »


It is clear in halacha that one must assume that he is prepared for you to defend your money to the extent that he would kill and therefore it is permitted to kill him.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #848 on: April 20, 2013, 11:27:36 PM »
Does anyone read the Wiki?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #850 on: April 20, 2013, 11:52:52 PM »
Does anyone read the Wiki?
coming from you? ::)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #851 on: April 20, 2013, 11:57:22 PM »
coming from you? ::)
If you are going to read a Wiki then this one would be it.  :P
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #852 on: April 21, 2013, 09:20:44 AM »
It is clear in halacha that one must assume that he is prepared for you to defend your money to the extent that he would kill and therefore it is permitted to kill him.
that applies to a ba bemachteres be cause he is ba leharog oy le haraig. that would not apply to a standard mugging , its probably a 1 to 5% of muggings that end up with a death. but if you fell that there is evan a chance of your life being in danger you may hit

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #853 on: April 21, 2013, 09:38:58 AM »
that applies to a ba bemachteres be cause he is ba leharog oy le haraig. that would not apply to a standard mugging , its probably a 1 to 5% of muggings that end up with a death. but if you fell that there is evan a chance of your life being in danger you may hit
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #854 on: April 21, 2013, 02:23:06 PM »
So an ONLY 5% chance of you or your loved one getting KILLED requires you to ---- over for the mugger?!?!?!
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #855 on: April 21, 2013, 04:48:28 PM »
Does anyone read the Wiki?
A good portion of people's ethical  views are based upon religion. This can be seen in people's views on abortion, polygamy, and homosexuality, among other things.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #856 on: April 21, 2013, 05:12:50 PM »
A good portion of people's ethical  views are based upon religion.
Everyone understands that. If you can't seperate the two then I would suggest don't post in this thread and start another thread about "is it OK according to your religion?".
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #857 on: April 21, 2013, 05:15:55 PM »
Everyone understands that. If you can't seperate the two then I would suggest don't post in this thread and start another thread about "is it OK according to your religion?".
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #858 on: April 21, 2013, 05:19:09 PM »
A little off topic- but did anyone hear about the single woman in la (very feministic  obviously) who officially got a heter to have a baby (via treatment).. Stirred a lot of pots there...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #859 on: April 21, 2013, 05:20:18 PM »
Anyone into  ethics there??