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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #960 on: April 23, 2013, 04:10:22 PM »
Proposed new name?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #961 on: April 23, 2013, 04:15:12 PM »

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #962 on: April 23, 2013, 04:17:12 PM »
Fight nicely here  ;D

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #963 on: April 23, 2013, 04:29:52 PM »
Proposed new name?

I would start a new thread and call it "What is ethics" or "definition of ethics?". I know this thread has gone OT many times but it still has a purpose, so it makes sense to keep it.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #964 on: April 23, 2013, 04:35:25 PM »
And move it to JS. It has gotten rather annoying IMHO.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #965 on: April 23, 2013, 04:38:00 PM »
I would start a new thread and call it "What is ethics" or "definition of ethics?".
This thread has already attempted to define that. Unfortunately common sense and religion do not mix.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #966 on: April 23, 2013, 04:49:23 PM »
Is it possible that these discussions can be forked. I like reading the specific ethical discussions in this thread, not the meta discussions
What about the meta meta discussion that you just brought up? Should that be forked off too?




I would start a new thread and call it "What is ethics" or "definition of ethics?". I know this thread has gone OT many times but it still has a purpose, so it makes sense to keep it.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #967 on: April 23, 2013, 04:59:13 PM »
. Unfortunately common sense and religion do not mix.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #968 on: April 23, 2013, 05:03:59 PM »
Proposed new name?
Clearly, as Frum Jews, who live lives where every detail is dictated by our religion/torah "secular ethics" have no place or meaning.
Call it "Lifnim mishuras hadin" or "yashrus" thread, I think that that was the original intent. A separate thread can be titled "halacha" One choshen mishpat one Y"D etc.  after all if it violates halacha its wrong by definition  8)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #969 on: April 23, 2013, 05:04:45 PM »
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #970 on: April 23, 2013, 05:07:56 PM »
Clearly, as Frum Jews, who live lives where every detail is dictated by our religion/torah "secular ethics" have no place or meaning.
Does this not prove the point that common sense and religion does not mix?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #971 on: April 23, 2013, 05:10:27 PM »
Does this not prove the point that common sense and religion does not mix?
I think that everything to do with our religion makes perfect logical sense!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #972 on: April 23, 2013, 05:11:06 PM »
I think that everything to do with our religion makes perfect logical sense!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #973 on: April 23, 2013, 05:11:59 PM »
Sarcasm?
No im dead serious, Pick a topic! ;)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #974 on: April 23, 2013, 05:13:42 PM »
I think that everything to do with our religion makes perfect logical sense!
Parah Adumah?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #975 on: April 23, 2013, 05:15:13 PM »
Parah Adumah?
Sha'atnez, Basar Bechalav, Tum'ah and Taharah etc. etc. etc.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #976 on: April 23, 2013, 05:19:12 PM »
Parah Adumah?
I meant it is logical and makes sense that we have to follow and listen to the torah, and, that keeping the creators commandments to the fullest extent will perfect the world, and the person observing the commandments, to the fullest extent possible. The creator of the world had a fairly good idea what "good" "perfect" and ethical" is. He is perfect and by following him we can be perfect.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #977 on: April 23, 2013, 05:21:55 PM »
That doesn't mean that everything in the torah is common sense.  It just means that Jews believe that following the torah is common sense.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #978 on: April 23, 2013, 05:22:23 PM »
I meant it is logical and makes sense that we have to follow and listen to the torah, and, that keeping the creators commandments to the fullest extent will perfect the world, and the person observing the commandments, to the fullest extent possible. The creator of the world had a fairly good idea what "good" "perfect" and ethical" is. He is perfect and by following him we can be perfect.
I think that's better than the unequivocal (and unqualified) statement that:
I think that everything to do with our religion makes perfect logical sense!

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #979 on: April 23, 2013, 05:28:43 PM »
That doesn't mean that everything in the torah is common sense.  It just means that Jews believe that following the torah is common sense.
Your technically right. Though I do want to point out, that if following the toran is common sense, the next step is that everything I do based on the torah is common sense, including Parah aduma.
It's also common sense that everything the creator commanded in the torah is "Good" for us, and the world, this is also common sense and logical.