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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #980 on: April 23, 2013, 05:32:36 PM »
Your technically right. Though I do want to point out, that if following the toran is common sense, the next step is that everything I do based on the torah is common sense, including Parah aduma.
It's also common sense that everything the creator commanded in the torah is "Good" for us, and the world, this is also common sense and logical.
Common sense is that listening to the Creator is good, that does not mean however that everything the Torah says is common sense being that the Creator (who also created common sense) himself is not bound by the laws of common sense.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #981 on: April 23, 2013, 05:35:12 PM »
Be careful we are in JS now.  :P

I was wondering where the heck all my posts went. :P

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #982 on: April 23, 2013, 05:38:15 PM »
That doesn't mean that everything in the torah is common sense.  It just means that Jews believe that following the torah is common sense.
TY for putting it in terms that anyone with a once of common sense should be able to understand.  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #983 on: April 23, 2013, 05:48:47 PM »
Let’s get back OT so I can cause some trouble. Most business card apps state the card can only be use for business purposes and you agree to this when applying. You know you are not going to use it for business purposes but apply anyway just to get the bonus. What say you?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #984 on: April 23, 2013, 06:13:54 PM »
Making money is my business :D
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #985 on: April 23, 2013, 06:31:49 PM »
Common sense is that listening to the Creator is good, that does not mean however that everything the Torah says is common sense being that the Creator (who also created common sense) himself is not bound by the laws of common sense.
Well said!
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #986 on: April 23, 2013, 07:12:16 PM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #987 on: April 23, 2013, 07:35:38 PM »
This thread has already attempted to define that. Unfortunately common sense and religion do not mix.

I don't care if ethics is defined or not in te other thread. As long as the conversation is in a different place I'm happy.

@ergel I agreed with you but still had to have my fun :P
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #988 on: April 24, 2013, 02:58:46 PM »
Let’s get back OT so I can cause some trouble. Most business card apps state the card can only be use for business purposes and you agree to this when applying. You know you are not going to use it for business purposes but apply anyway just to get the bonus. What say you?
You can hear a pin drop in here. What seems to be the problem?  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #989 on: April 24, 2013, 03:37:24 PM »
You can hear a pin drop in here. What seems to be the problem?  :)

Officially it sounds wrong. But at the end of the day what do they lose if I use it for personal usage? Personally I don't think they really care about it and its probably in the t&c's for legal reasons. Then again, I really have no clue. Maybe you can enlighten us?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #990 on: April 24, 2013, 04:04:32 PM »
Maybe you can enlighten us?
How about you enlighten me? Based on your ethics is it OK. For me it is not.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #991 on: April 24, 2013, 04:10:30 PM »
How about you enlighten me? Based on your ethics is it OK. For me it is not.

I didnt say it was ok. It sounds ok but I have no clue why they have the rule. If its a rule that is meant for them to protect themselves from directly losing money on me I would agree that its unethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #992 on: April 24, 2013, 04:12:06 PM »
I front say it was ok. It sounds ok but I have no clue why they have the rule. If its a rule that is meant for them to protect themselves from directly losing money on me I would agree that its unethical.

What if its just a rule they made and they don't lose money either way?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #993 on: April 24, 2013, 04:15:33 PM »
What if its just a rule they made and they don't lose money either way?

I would compare it to cutting through the velvet ropes when there's no one waiting on line. Yes, there may be a rule that you have to go through the whole round about, but frankly I don't give a darn.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #994 on: April 24, 2013, 04:21:30 PM »
What if its just a rule they made and they don't lose money either way?
...but you agreed to the terms. Does it matter if they lose money? Are you saying it is ethical to give false information on the app?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #995 on: April 24, 2013, 07:06:44 PM »
Don't want to take the other thread OT so I will post here.

Maybe Dan should have one of the topics at the seminar on "Is It Ethical". I would pay to see that.  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #996 on: April 24, 2013, 07:39:27 PM »
Don't want to take the other thread OT so I will post here.

Maybe Dan should have one of the topics at the seminar on "Is It Ethical". I would pay to see that.  :)
lol wanna start a war?! ;D

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #997 on: April 24, 2013, 07:41:00 PM »
lol wanna start a war?! ;D
Not sure what you mean.  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #998 on: April 24, 2013, 08:18:51 PM »
...but you agreed to the terms. Does it matter if they lose money? Are you saying it is ethical to give false information on the app?

Depends. If I was to write Mrs. instead of Mr. on an app, would you really call it unethical? OTOH, putting down a false ssn or lying about other important info would definitely be unethical. Honestly, I can't say that I know where your case falls into, but I do believe it falls into the former.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #999 on: April 24, 2013, 08:21:08 PM »
...but I do believe it falls into the former.
I believe willfully lying would be called unethical. The question would be is it OK to act unethically if no one stands to lose?