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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1000 on: April 24, 2013, 08:29:37 PM »
I believe willfully lying would be called unethical. The question would be is it OK to act unethically if no one stands to lose?

If it would be ok to act unethical, then the act wouldn't be unethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1001 on: April 24, 2013, 09:44:23 PM »
as religious jews i'm assuming this question is only for ideological purposes only if it is ethical or not because the halacha is that you are not allowed to return
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1002 on: April 24, 2013, 09:46:48 PM »
-1, I think you fail to fully understand that din.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1003 on: April 24, 2013, 09:54:39 PM »
Let’s get back OT so I can cause some trouble. Most business card apps state the card can only be use for business purposes and you agree to this when applying. You know you are not going to use it for business purposes but apply anyway just to get the bonus. What say you?
dont think its the right thing but i dont think its unethical just my opinion. there are many things that are wrong that would not get defined as unethical. like parking in a handicap spot 

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1004 on: April 24, 2013, 10:05:39 PM »
there are many things that are wrong that would not get defined as unethical. like parking in a handicap spot

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1005 on: April 24, 2013, 11:00:44 PM »
dont think its the right thing but i dont think its unethical just my opinion. there are many things that are wrong that would not get defined as unethical. like parking in a handicap spot 
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1006 on: April 26, 2013, 01:29:56 AM »
You can hear a pin drop in here. What seems to be the problem?  :)
Depends. If I was to write Mrs. instead of Mr. on an app, would you really call it unethical? OTOH, putting down a false ssn or lying about other important info would definitely be unethical. Honestly, I can't say that I know where your case falls into, but I do believe it falls into the former.

Still waiting for a response :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1007 on: April 26, 2013, 01:33:24 AM »

Still waiting for a response :)
If you put down wrong info on purpose to gain something from it then I would call it unethical. If it is an honest mistake then NP.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1008 on: April 26, 2013, 01:55:11 AM »
If you put down wrong info on purpose to gain something from it then I would call it unethical. If it is an honest mistake then NP.

That wasn't my point. You're not lying about your info here, you're agreeing to the terms even though you will break them later. If those terms are just there for dumb reasons and not to stop them from direct losses from you, I don't see an issue. Which brings us back to the utilitarian vs. Kant argument. Which side do you take?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1009 on: April 26, 2013, 01:59:14 AM »
The reason they have the terms is immaterial. If you agree to them you are bound by them. Pretty simple to me but I am a simple kind of guy.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1010 on: April 26, 2013, 02:09:50 AM »
Let’s get back OT so I can cause some trouble. Most business card apps state the card can only be use for business purposes and you agree to this when applying. You know you are not going to use it for business purposes but apply anyway just to get the bonus. What say you?
I forget the terminology for this, but I believe this is a case where although there is a "rule" on the books, nobody follows it and they (knowingly) choose not to enforce it.
Therefore it's acceptable to disregard it and  I don't see a problem.

Also, as Dan pointed out, "earning" miles can be considered business purposes...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1011 on: April 26, 2013, 02:46:36 AM »
Also, as Dan pointed out, "earning" miles can be considered business purposes...
The lenghts we go to justify what we do.  ;)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1012 on: April 26, 2013, 09:28:38 AM »
The lenghts we go to justify what we do.  ;)
I'm a little confused by you. You have a very strict definition of ethics. Do you follow them?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1013 on: April 26, 2013, 09:29:56 AM »
I'm a little confused by you. You have a very strict definition of ethics. Do you follow them?
Short answer, no.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1014 on: April 26, 2013, 09:31:18 AM »
The lenghts we go to justify what we do.  ;)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1015 on: April 26, 2013, 09:32:23 AM »
Short answer, no.
So then who cares what is ethical or not? (maybe we should move this over to the other thread)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1016 on: April 26, 2013, 09:34:28 AM »
So then who cares what is ethical or not? (maybe we should move this over to the other thread)

Sometimes people are unsure.

 Or they know its not OK and they just need someone to confirm what they already know.

Sometimes they know its not 100% but want someone to give them permission and a reason why its fine.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1017 on: April 26, 2013, 09:36:10 AM »
Sometimes people are unsure.

 Or they know its not OK and they just need someone to confirm what they already know.

Sometimes they know its not 100% but want someone to give them permission and a reason why its fine.


That was a response to CV. Sorry should've quoted
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1018 on: April 26, 2013, 09:37:18 AM »
Short answer, no.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1019 on: April 26, 2013, 09:37:28 AM »
So then who cares what is ethical or not? (maybe we should move this over to the other thread)
I care and it seems many other care also. Remember I gave you a short answer, not a song and dance.
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