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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1040 on: April 26, 2013, 05:29:20 PM »
...to make up a reason to get out of jury duty?
To me the biggest reason not to get out of jury duty is basically "put up or shut up." You can't go around b*tching about the justice system if you're not willing to do your part to "fix" it.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1041 on: April 26, 2013, 05:44:42 PM »
Depends if you believe in the government and enforcing its laws.

When you argued in the jury duty thread that it is our civic duty to attend jury, you were in essence arguing in favor of the Social Contract Theory. This is the theory that most strongly influenced the Declaration of Independence and the founding of American society. It argues that by virtue of people living in the USA and enjoying the rights associated with it they are contractually bound to the responsibilties of a US citizen.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1042 on: April 26, 2013, 05:50:31 PM »
To me the biggest reason not to get out of jury duty is basically "put up or shut up." You can't go around b*tching about the justice system if you're not willing to do your part to "fix" it.

Well put. What if employers of people who get called for jury duty were obligated to give $ for some amount of time (like 50% pay for up to a week) ala paid vacation?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1043 on: April 26, 2013, 06:06:40 PM »
Well put. What if employers of people who get called for jury duty were obligated to give $ for some amount of time (like 50% pay for up to a week) ala paid vacation?
You mean another tax?  :)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1044 on: April 27, 2013, 09:22:30 PM »
You mean another tax?  :)

No, I mean as a civic duty  ;).

I personally wouldn't support it, but I think that may help convince people to attend jury duty.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1045 on: April 29, 2013, 02:50:04 PM »
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care to explain afkaik its a mfurashe pasuk and the rambam and shuchan aruch bring it down lhalacha

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1046 on: May 01, 2013, 10:19:58 PM »
I love how "bring down" has become common vernacular when meaning to say the word "cite".  הערה בעלמה.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1047 on: May 01, 2013, 10:26:49 PM »
I love how "bring down" has become common vernacular when meaning to say the word "cite".  הערה בעלמה.

Halacha works from the top down, so "bringing down" doesn't sound wrong to me.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1048 on: May 01, 2013, 10:42:39 PM »
Halacha works from the top down, so "bringing down" doesn't sound wrong to me.

Top down??  Do you mean to say it doesnt work bottom up?  Duh..  :)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1049 on: May 01, 2013, 10:43:44 PM »
Top down??  Do you mean to say it doesnt work bottom up?  Duh..  :)

Your point?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1050 on: May 08, 2013, 02:11:52 AM »
Office Depot in malcha and bought a printer for 300₪. It never worked and always gabe me issues. I had to change ink cartridges. Every one i buy the chip is not being read by the printer. It seems like the printer is broken bec the Hp guy he doesn't understand why its not working.
Truth is the worker there claimed it was a great model and all, i didnt have a smartphone then so i took his word. I came back and it was basically discontinued a yr before i bought it. So much so they don't make the ink that it says to get on the box. They made a universal ink for printers that are outdated.

How un-ethical is it to buy a new Hp from the same place on my Amex and then dispute/warranty protection?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1051 on: May 08, 2013, 05:10:36 AM »
Office Depot in malcha and bought a printer for 300₪. It never worked and always gabe me issues. I had to change ink cartridges. Every one i buy the chip is not being read by the printer. It seems like the printer is broken bec the Hp guy he doesn't understand why its not working.
Truth is the worker there claimed it was a great model and all, i didnt have a smartphone then so i took his word. I came back and it was basically discontinued a yr before i bought it. So much so they don't make the ink that it says to get on the box. They made a universal ink for printers that are outdated.

How un-ethical is it to buy a new Hp from the same place on my Amex and then dispute/warranty protection?

Ethical? No. Would I do it anyway? Maybe... :P

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1052 on: May 08, 2013, 06:26:54 AM »
Ethical? No. Would I do it anyway? Maybe... :P
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1053 on: May 08, 2013, 06:27:41 AM »
Now that makes sense.

See? I'm learning. ;D

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1054 on: May 08, 2013, 06:29:49 AM »
See? I'm learning. ;D
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1055 on: May 08, 2013, 06:32:35 AM »
There are only so many young grasshoppers here and your not one of them.  ;)

Ummm... I can interpret that several ways. Mind elaborating a bit? ???

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1056 on: May 08, 2013, 06:42:28 AM »
Ummm... I can interpret that several ways. Mind elaborating a bit? ???
Don't you love it when I do that.  :)

Young grasshoppers need to learn and you are past the young grasshopper stage. Ever see the tv sries "Kung Fu"?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1057 on: May 08, 2013, 06:55:36 AM »
Ethical? No. Would I do it anyway? Maybe... :P
nit sure why its so unethical. They screwed me over. I deserve my money back. Its a mekach Taos.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1058 on: May 08, 2013, 07:09:39 AM »
nit sure why its so unethical. They screwed me over. I deserve my money back. Its a mekach Taos.
Do 2 wrongs make an unethical action ethical? ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm with moishebatchy on this one...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1059 on: May 08, 2013, 08:24:23 AM »
nit sure why its so unethical. They screwed me over. I deserve my money back. Its a mekach Taos.

If you dispute it with amex who looses the money Amex or the store?
If it's that amex doesn't pay the store or gets their money back its not as bad in my opinion then if amex takes it as a loss.
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