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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1060 on: May 08, 2013, 09:29:19 AM »
nit sure why its so unethical. They screwed me over. I deserve my money back. Its a mekach Taos.

I figure if you have to ask why it's "so unethical?" that implies that somewhere you must realize it isn't 100% kosher.


 It's either ethical or not. Is there a gray area?

I don't think it's ethical.
I see where you are coming from and understand why you may feel it's "owed" to you and that you have the right to do that. But honestly? Ethical it's not.
Like MoishyBatchy said though whether you choose to do it or not is another story.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1061 on: May 08, 2013, 09:32:30 AM »
I figure if you have to ask why it's "so unethical?" that implies that somewhere you must realize it isn't 100% kosher.


 It's either ethical or not. Is there a gray area?

I don't think it's ethical.


i was waiting for a Gemara Kup pipe up :-). I asked it that way to see who would say your point exactly. The truth is i am with batchy but i prob won't do it. Ill call chase later and complain.

But what would i say to Amex in order for them not to pay Office Depot? Return protection? Or warranty?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1062 on: May 08, 2013, 10:22:25 AM »
i was waiting for a Gemara Kup pipe up :-). I asked it that way to see who would say your point exactly. The truth is i am with batchy but i prob won't do it. Ill call chase later and complain.

But what would i say to Amex in order for them not to pay Office Depot? Return protection? Or warranty?

How long ago did you buy it? On which cc?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1063 on: May 08, 2013, 10:36:43 AM »
Halachically, I believe it's assur to steal from s/o an item, even if he stole from you first.
It's possibly okay to steal back the same exact item, but I forget off the top of my head.
Since this is a different physical item, I believe it would be incorrect to do.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1064 on: May 08, 2013, 01:31:24 PM »
Halachically, I believe it's assur to steal from s/o an item, even if he stole from you first.
It's possibly okay to steal back the same exact item, but I forget off the top of my head.
Since this is a different physical item, I believe it would be incorrect to do.
so i asked a rav today. Surprisingly enough he said, if your barrar that they stole the item it might be ok to pull a shtick with Amex. Obviously im not. Its broken but i never tried to being it back or tell them they lied to me about being brand new. (Hp doesn't even make the cartridge anymore) but he said if you were certain, then def would be ok to go buy the item.

R' berkowitz said a similar case, what if Reuvan and shimon went together and bought laptops. Reuvan lost his warranty and his broke can he use shimons warranty instead...he said yes, they officially have a chiyiv to u.


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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1065 on: May 08, 2013, 03:52:18 PM »
so i asked a rav today. Surprisingly enough he said, if your barrar that they stole the item it might be ok to pull a shtick with Amex.
I dont get it.
If Reuven stole from me, can I go ahead and steal from Shimon?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1067 on: May 09, 2013, 12:46:46 AM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1068 on: June 10, 2013, 10:38:19 AM »
I don't understand exactly how corporate codes work with rental cars but it seems to me that there are definitely ethical issues with using a code from a corporation that you are not affiliated with.
1.  How about an orginazation that you have a loose affiliation with like chabad or bmg?  Any ethical issues?  How about Halacha?

2.  I don't understand how hertz vouchers work.  I would love to buy a few and save money on a car rental.  As I have never seen these I can't even begin to understand what the issues are.  Are there any issues?  Is it squeaky clean? 
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1069 on: July 05, 2013, 06:23:57 AM »
For some reason the coffee machine is working without putting in any money. Should I try to find out why or just keep drinking the free coffee?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1070 on: July 05, 2013, 10:47:05 AM »
For some reason the coffee machine is working without putting in any money. Should I try to find out why or just keep drinking the free coffee?
Reminds me of freakonomics bit on bagels.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1071 on: July 12, 2013, 11:29:05 AM »
I know the answer to this, just interested in what others would say.

Moving to a new country and I am getting insurance. I had a claim last year and therefore no one will insure at reasonable rates. However, I was also insured at the same time on my grandparents policy and I have a letter from them which shows coverage and no claims. Can I just send that in and not mention that I have a claim?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1072 on: July 12, 2013, 11:54:28 AM »
A better question: How COULD it be ethical?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1073 on: July 12, 2013, 11:57:20 AM »
I know the answer to this, just interested in what others would say.

Moving to a new country and I am getting insurance. I had a claim last year and therefore no one will insure at reasonable rates. However, I was also insured at the same time on my grandparents policy and I have a letter from them which shows coverage and no claims. Can I just send that in and not mention that I have a claim?
What are they asking for, proof of insurance?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1074 on: July 12, 2013, 01:30:53 PM »
What are they asking for, proof of insurance?
Yeah, history
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1075 on: July 12, 2013, 01:31:36 PM »
What are they asking for, proof of insurance?
history of insurance
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1076 on: July 12, 2013, 01:50:05 PM »
I know the answer to this, just interested in what others would say.

Moving to a new country and I am getting insurance. I had a claim last year and therefore no one will insure at reasonable rates. However, I was also insured at the same time on my grandparents policy and I have a letter from them which shows coverage and no claims. Can I just send that in and not mention that I have a claim?

Is there any reason to believe that the issue you had should recur and cost the insurance company any money?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1077 on: July 12, 2013, 01:51:09 PM »
Is there any reason to believe that the issue you had should recur and cost the insurance company any money?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1078 on: July 12, 2013, 01:59:37 PM »
Hold on, papi, because that's a slippery slope.
Correct.
I would not use this as a rational to commit insurance fraud (which is what I think this would constitute) but it is a little crazy that I have ten years driving experience with one accident and I can barely get insurance because that accident happen to have occurred in the last year
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1079 on: July 12, 2013, 03:12:18 PM »
Aren't you afraid of that coming up in an investigation in case of a serious incident Gd forbid?
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