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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1240 on: March 19, 2014, 05:22:26 PM »
I only saw one justification.  Most of us are just saying we do it anyway.

Hardly an ethical argument...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1241 on: March 19, 2014, 07:46:37 PM »
How about getting GC's when it is against the T&C's?
It's not against the T&C's to buy an airline GC with an Amex Plat!
If Amex wants to give a credit for a GC despite the T&C's saying the credit will not be given, that is their own "generosity". The consumer here did not do anything against the T&C's.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1242 on: March 19, 2014, 07:52:56 PM »
What's funny?
The way we justify things we do.
If Amex wants to give a credit for a GC despite the T&C's saying the credit will not be given, that is their own "generosity". The consumer here did not do anything against the T&C's.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1243 on: March 19, 2014, 11:11:31 PM »
It's not against the T&C's to buy an airline GC with an Amex Plat!
If Amex wants to give a credit for a GC despite the T&C's saying the credit will not be given, that is their own "generosity". The consumer here did not do anything against the T&C's.
What you're saying MIGHT make sense if you were buying that GC anyways, if you are buying it specifically to get the credit despite knowing that it's against the T&C that would be unethical in my book...

Disclaimer: I never said there is something wrong with being unethical....

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1244 on: March 20, 2014, 12:46:19 AM »
What you're saying MIGHT make sense if you were buying that GC anyways, if you are buying it specifically to get the credit despite knowing that it's against the T&C that would be unethical in my book...

Disclaimer: I never said there is something wrong with being unethical....
is it unethical to be unethical? :P

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1245 on: March 20, 2014, 02:32:54 AM »
is it unethical to be unethical? :P
No, it just means nobody is perfect.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1246 on: March 20, 2014, 08:07:10 AM »
is it unethical to be unethical? :P
It's unethical but then again...
I never said there is something wrong with being unethical....

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1247 on: March 23, 2014, 10:00:15 PM »
I was wondering what people think of the following?
I just broke a phone that I bought on Friday, and got to thinking that I could have (and if Amex gives me the money for it, I might) bought the phone at Costco for full price. Seeing as they have a 90 day return policy, would it not be possible to get a phone, and keep it until the phone I want actually comes out and then just return phone 1 and buy phone 2? Or even do that another time if the phone I want comes out 6 months later? I would agree that doing it every 90 days is over the line, but how gray (or clearly black) is just a one or two time return to to the release of my desired phone?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1248 on: March 23, 2014, 11:14:51 PM »

I was wondering what people think of the following?
I just broke a phone that I bought on Friday, and got to thinking that I could have (and if Amex gives me the money for it, I might) bought the phone at Costco for full price. Seeing as they have a 90 day return policy, would it not be possible to get a phone, and keep it until the phone I want actually comes out and then just return phone 1 and buy phone 2? Or even do that another time if the phone I want comes out 6 months later? I would agree that doing it every 90 days is over the line, but how gray (or clearly black) is just a one or two time return to to the release of my desired phone?
I saw this story in way too many topics it's coming out of my nose already! You probably should've started your own thread and asked all your questions there! :)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1249 on: March 23, 2014, 11:30:41 PM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1250 on: March 24, 2014, 05:44:52 AM »
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1251 on: March 24, 2014, 05:52:57 AM »
I was wondering what people think of the following?
I just broke a phone that I bought on Friday, and got to thinking that I could have (and if Amex gives me the money for it, I might) bought the phone at Costco for full price. Seeing as they have a 90 day return policy, would it not be possible to get a phone, and keep it until the phone I want actually comes out and then just return phone 1 and buy phone 2? Or even do that another time if the phone I want comes out 6 months later? I would agree that doing it every 90 days is over the line, but how gray (or clearly black) is just a one or two time return to to the release of my desired phone?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1252 on: March 24, 2014, 05:34:18 PM »
Scenario: As I'm walking out of Target, I glance at my receipt and realize that the cashier neglected to scan a pretty expensive item.  Before I share what I did- What would you do?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1253 on: March 24, 2014, 05:38:06 PM »
Scenario: As I'm walking out of Target, I glance at my receipt and realize that the cashier neglected to scan a pretty expensive item.  Before I share what I did- What would you do?

I'd go back in. If it was something cheap then it would depend on the moment.  Sometimes laziness takes over and if it's small amount I might just let it go.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1254 on: March 24, 2014, 05:40:49 PM »
Scenario: As I'm walking out of Target, I glance at my receipt and realize that the cashier neglected to scan a pretty expensive item.  Before I share what I did- What would you do?

I would say keep it. Its "Tyos Akum" which halachically permissible. Legally not your problem either

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1255 on: March 24, 2014, 05:44:21 PM »
I would say keep it. Its "Tyos Akum" which halachically permissible. Legally not your problem either

Definitely taus akum, but therein lies the rub... this isn't the halacha thread. It's the "ethical" thread.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1256 on: March 24, 2014, 05:52:11 PM »
Definitely taus akum, but therein lies the rub... this isn't the halacha thread. It's the "ethical" thread.
+1.  My wife had the same thing happen to her in Target and she called me and asked if she should go back in I told her 100%.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1257 on: March 24, 2014, 06:08:24 PM »
I was wondering what people think of the following?
I just broke a phone that I bought on Friday, and got to thinking that I could have (and if Amex gives me the money for it, I might) bought the phone at Costco for full price. Seeing as they have a 90 day return policy, would it not be possible to get a phone, and keep it until the phone I want actually comes out and then just return phone 1 and buy phone 2? Or even do that another time if the phone I want comes out 6 months later? I would agree that doing it every 90 days is over the line, but how gray (or clearly black) is just a one or two time return to to the release of my desired phone?
i am having a hard time understanding your q.
do you mean to ask if its ok to buy if you plan on returning as referred to by some here to "borrow" from a store?
what does it have to do with waiting for a new one
you say costco has a 90 day return policy. is this something new or just for phones

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1258 on: March 24, 2014, 07:53:06 PM »
When I signed up for a costco membership this was the reps sales pitch given that I was planning on buying a PC saying how I can keep on trying different ones until I find one that I"m happy with that they don't care something like they work by sales per day stock price not revenue

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1259 on: March 24, 2014, 10:10:55 PM »
+1.  My wife had the same thing happen to her in Target and she called me and asked if she should go back in I told her 100%.

you told her, 100%
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