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This thread is to discuss whether people feel that something is unethical, not to find out what the law*/T&C says.

Any Halachic questions should be posted here.

*According to CountValentine this includes religion, but unfortunately for him, the general consensus is that religion will always be entwined in this thread.

*Hint* If you have to ask, It's most likely not ethical.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1300 on: March 27, 2014, 11:31:38 PM »
If I make purchases for work with work's credit card, is it ethical to go through a portal to earn myself some cashback?
Assuming you aren't causing the business to lose money, that's what most of these portals are for, as an incentive for those doing the buying for businesses to buy from them.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1301 on: March 27, 2014, 11:41:52 PM »
Like this? Saw it in yeshiva and had to laugh.


these guys could rip peoples phants off
be smart and don't mess things up please

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1302 on: March 28, 2014, 12:11:50 AM »
I just asked a shaila. 100% to as if checkout guy didn't scan. But u have to make it that he was able to have scanned it. Obviously if u hide it under the shirt that's called matte alum and its assure.
If you hide it under your shirt you were not matte him, it's all on you. Some call it shop lifting;)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1303 on: March 28, 2014, 12:44:38 AM »
Assuming you aren't causing the business to lose money, that's what most of these portals are for, as an incentive for those doing the buying for businesses to buy from them.
Guess that makes sense. The only thing that I've been thinking is that I could theoretically do the same and collect cashback for the office.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1304 on: March 28, 2014, 12:46:07 AM »
Guess that makes sense. The only thing that I've been thinking is that I could theoretically do the same and collect cashback for the office.
If you fly for business would you give the miles to the business?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1305 on: March 28, 2014, 12:52:37 AM »
If you fly for business would you give the miles to the business?
There would seem to me to be a big diff bet miles flying and portal earnings. When flying the airline rewards the individual, no one else can get those miles. and it is against their T&C to sell them. With the portal, it would be no matter to set up an account for the company. (cashback like ebates etc. anyways)
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1306 on: March 28, 2014, 01:01:10 AM »
There would seem to me to be a big diff bet miles flying and portal earnings. When flying the airline rewards the individual, no one else can get those miles. and it is against their T&C to sell them. With the portal, it would be no matter to set up an account for the company. (cashback like ebates etc. anyways)
then there's the matter of using company time for personal gain. even though 1) I could always subtract the 10 seconds from my lunch break and 2) this IS ddf......
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1307 on: April 30, 2014, 02:17:30 PM »
dunno if this is the thread for it but... if I bought the kindle for a fellow DDF'er who paid me back and then requested the price adjustment from amazon, do I refund him the amount I get back?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1308 on: April 30, 2014, 02:21:30 PM »
dunno if this is the thread for it but... if I bought the kindle for a fellow DDF'er who paid me back and then requested the price adjustment from amazon, do I refund him the amount I get back?
I guess it depends how you look at it, if you booked the deal for him then the nice thing would be to refund it if you got it refunded or you can look at it that you got a free Kindle and turned it over for a $20 profit...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1309 on: April 30, 2014, 02:24:14 PM »
dunno if this is the thread for it but... if I bought the kindle for a fellow DDF'er who paid me back and then requested the price adjustment from amazon, do I refund him the amount I get back?
I wouldn't.
He paid the $$ for a Kindle, doesn't matter where you got it from or how much/if you even paid for it.
If you had bought the Kindle for $50 and sold it for $30, you're taking the $20 loss. The same is if you got the Kindle for free (Birthday Gift perhaps) and decided you didn't want to keep it, you can re-sell it and keep the money.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1310 on: April 30, 2014, 02:27:06 PM »
asked my LOR this one (helps when he's a relative) and was told I'm not obligated but it would be good to go lifnim meshuras hadin on this one, which is kind of the way I was leaning anyways...

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1311 on: April 30, 2014, 02:30:30 PM »
asked my LOR this one (helps when he's a relative) and was told I'm not obligated but it would be good to go lifnim meshuras hadin on this one, which is kind of the way I was leaning anyways...
Sure seemed like you were based on your OP. Why not tell him that the price technically dropped $20, and what he thinks to do with that money. G-d forbid let Amazon keep it! ;)

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1312 on: April 30, 2014, 02:54:28 PM »
asked my LOR...
Wrong thread.  >:(
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1313 on: April 30, 2014, 03:00:48 PM »
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1314 on: April 30, 2014, 04:00:00 PM »
Why?

Because this is the "ethics" thread, not the "halacha" thread.  I find it comical that the resident Goy is the one pointing that out.  ;D

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1315 on: April 30, 2014, 04:05:09 PM »
Because this is the "ethics" thread, not the "halacha" thread.  I find it comical that the resident Goy is the one pointing that out.  ;D
Others have also but some just don't seem to get. I fully understand that for some religion is the determining factor for everything they do. That is great and their business. If they could just understand that everyone is not religious and the two are not the same. Hope I don’t sound like ThinkTwice.
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1316 on: April 30, 2014, 04:10:33 PM »
Others have also but some just don't seem to get. I fully understand that for some religion is the determining factor for everything they do. That is great and their business. If they could just understand that everyone is not religious and the two are not the same. Hope I don’t sound like ThinkTwice.
Oh, I completely agree! My point, which I obviously didn't express well enough, was that I had already asked whether I was under a religious obligation to return the $, was told that I wasn't and that the decision was up to me, and now was asking specifically what fellow members thought about the ethical side.

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1317 on: April 30, 2014, 04:12:17 PM »
Hope I don’t sound like ThinkTwice.
He mixed religion into it?

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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1318 on: April 30, 2014, 04:14:37 PM »
Others have also but some just don't seem to get. I fully understand that for some religion is the determining factor for everything they do. That is great and their business. If they could just understand that everyone is not religious and the two are not the same. Hope I don’t sound like ThinkTwice.
But for those who believe that religion governs their ethics (and might therefore pose ethics questions to an LOR), isn't it appropriate for them to post here?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Is It Ethical?
« Reply #1319 on: April 30, 2014, 06:36:13 PM »
But for those who believe that religion governs their ethics (and might therefore pose ethics questions to an LOR), isn't it appropriate for them to post here?
No. Start an "ask your LOR" thread.  :)
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