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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #220 on: March 25, 2022, 11:04:35 AM »
Neither do you so we are even.
I expect that from someone that doesn't have them.
It was wrong when the R's did it and it will be wrong if the D's ever do it. I don't flip flop.
Trying to use religion against Barrett was wrong no matter if I thought she should be confirmed or not.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #221 on: March 25, 2022, 11:05:47 AM »
I expect that from someone that doesn't have them.
It was wrong when the R's did it and it will be wrong if the D's ever do it. I don't flip flop.
Except when they did more. Then it was different.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #222 on: March 25, 2022, 11:15:54 AM »
Except when they did more. Then it was different.
Who, what, when did more?
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #223 on: March 25, 2022, 11:26:56 AM »
Who, what, when did more?

The Dems did more at each hearing of an R nominee in the past 25 years including disgusting insinuations that Catholics can't be proper judges.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #224 on: March 25, 2022, 11:57:06 AM »
The Dems did more at each hearing of an R nominee in the past 25 years including disgusting insinuations that Catholics can't be proper judges.
I did not watch all the hearings so I won't disagree.
I already spoke out about Barrett. Asking about religion/abortion IMHO wasn't the issue. You ask the question then move on. I don't recall if they kept hammering her on it. I know the media did.
Now lets contrast with current nominee about sentencing on child porn cases. They just went on and on after she answered it numerous times.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #225 on: March 25, 2022, 12:03:55 PM »
After she answered it numerous times.
Not following closely. Link?

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #226 on: March 25, 2022, 12:04:34 PM »
I did not watch all the hearings so I won't disagree.
I already spoke out about Barrett. Asking about religion/abortion IMHO wasn't the issue. You ask the question then move on. I don't recall if they kept hammering her on it. I know the media did.
Now lets contrast with current nominee about sentencing on child porn cases. They just went on and on after she answered it numerous times.


The barrett hearings were not structured the same due to COVID. Each senator only had 30 minutes with 20 minutes follow up and the rest was written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_Supreme_Court_nomination#Questions_and_answers

Questions and answers

During Judge William H. Pryor's confirmation hearings for a federal bench in Atlanta, Senator Charles Schumer said he was troubled by Pryor's "deeply held personal beliefs".[7] There were predictions by some, notably the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights,[8] Notre Dame law professor Charles Rice in the National Review,[7] the Center for Jewish Values, and the Catholic organization Fidelis[7] that the pattern would be repeated with Roberts' confirmation hearing. Most Rev. Charles Chaput, OFM Cap, Archbishop of Denver, noted that "many people already believe that a new kind of religious discrimination is very welcome at the Capitol, even among elected officials who claim to be Catholic," concluding that "the bias against 'papism' is alive and well in America." However, others did not interpret the clause as prohibiting Senate inquiry into the religious beliefs of a nominee; rather they held that religious inquiries by the Senate are not the application of a religious Test (or disqualification), but a valid form of inquiry into Roberts' source of values and beliefs, which they consider to be highly relevant to a position such as Supreme Court Justice.

On September 13, during the second day of confirmation hearings Senator Arlen Specter asked Roberts whether his faith would affect his opinions on the bench. Roberts responded that "there is nothing in my personal view based on faith or other sources that would prevent me from applying the precedents of the court faithfully in accord with the principles of stare decisis." Later the same day, he also said "my faith and my religious beliefs do not play a role in my judging. ... I look to the law. I do not look to the Bible or other religious books."[6] On September 14, Senator Dianne Feinstein asked Roberts about the "role Catholicism would play" in his tenure as a justice. Roberts declined to endorse President Kennedy's statement that "separation of church and state is absolute," telling Feinstein, "I don't know what you mean by 'absolute'." Some consider such questioning to be a revival of anti-Catholic bigotry reminiscent of the public concern about Catholic influence that presidential candidate John F. Kennedy faced in 1960, and exemplified by the controversial Blaine Amendments.[9]
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #227 on: March 25, 2022, 12:55:30 PM »
Not following closely. Link?
From watching the hearings.
Each case is independent of others. While sentencing was under federal guidelines it was similar to what other sentenced under similar circumstances. 
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #228 on: March 25, 2022, 12:58:28 PM »
Questions and answers
Did they spend their whole time go over and over about being Catholic?
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #229 on: March 25, 2022, 01:01:52 PM »
From watching the hearings.
Each case is independent of others. While sentencing was under federal guidelines it was similar to what other sentenced under similar circumstances. 
He found a flaw in the law and exploited it to make her look bad.

Big deal?

The law does sound very dumb based on what I heard in my 3min of watching.

18 or heck 16 year olds should not be allowed to have pre-pubescent kiddie stuff... And if they do they should get a strict sentence, but that's just my opinion and likely many others which seemingly diverges from the law, so as @aygart said is a good way to score political points.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #230 on: March 25, 2022, 01:06:06 PM »
Did they spend their whole time go over and over about being Catholic?


On September 13, during the second day of confirmation hearings Senator Arlen Specter asked Roberts whether his faith would affect his opinions on the bench. Roberts responded that "there is nothing in my personal view based on faith or other sources that would prevent me from applying the precedents of the court faithfully in accord with the principles of stare decisis." Later the same day, he also said "my faith and my religious beliefs do not play a role in my judging. ... I look to the law. I do not look to the Bible or other religious books."[6] On September 14, Senator Dianne Feinstein asked Roberts about the "role Catholicism would play" in his tenure as a justice. Roberts declined to endorse President Kennedy's statement that "separation of church and state is absolute," telling Feinstein, "I don't know what you mean by 'absolute'." Some consider such questioning to be a revival of anti-Catholic bigotry reminiscent of the public concern about Catholic influence that presidential candidate John F. Kennedy faced in 1960, and exemplified by the controversial Blaine Amendments.[9]
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #231 on: March 25, 2022, 01:06:51 PM »
He found a flaw in the law and exploited it to make her look bad.

Big deal?

The law does sound very dumb based on what I heard in my 3min of watching.

18 or heck 16 year olds should not be allowed to have pre-pubescent kiddie stuff... And if they do they should get a strict sentence, but that's just my opinion and likely many others which seemingly diverges from the law, so as @aygart said is a good way to score political points.
The problem is he tried to make the sentencing mandatory as congressed originally passed but then SCOTUS shot down. Once he was made to look like a fool he then pivoted (Hawley).
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #232 on: March 25, 2022, 01:08:04 PM »
On September 13, during the second day of confirmation hearings
You could have just said no.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #233 on: March 25, 2022, 01:09:47 PM »
You could have just said no.
Spin it how you want.
Did the Rs spend their whole time on sentencing guidelines?
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #234 on: March 25, 2022, 01:13:25 PM »
Spin it how you want.
Did the Rs spend their whole time on sentencing guidelines?
No spin, just the facts.
Watch Hawley as he kept harping over and over. I believe Cruz did also in the second round but didn't watch all of it.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #235 on: March 25, 2022, 01:31:11 PM »
No spin, just the facts.
Watch Hawley as he kept harping over and over. I believe Cruz did also in the second round but didn't watch all of it.
Just like Specter and Feinstien did.
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #236 on: March 25, 2022, 01:40:39 PM »
Spector was a R.
Now if Feinstein spent her whole time going over and over about the Catholic issue then it would be the same. By what you posted that didn't happen. Your post shows it was one and done.

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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #237 on: March 25, 2022, 05:27:29 PM »
I am happy that the Rs seem like they are not going to pull the same partisan garbage the Ds did by boycotting the committee vote for Barrett.
Good thing they don't boycott committee votes.  :)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/threatened-gop-boycott-over-pre-sentencing-reports-collapses-after-some-members-show-reluctance/ar-AAVsIlz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=97aa84e38af5413a882faa10e8c39c87

"The idea, which would have seriously complicated Jackson’s path through the Senate toward confirmation, has been percolating since Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee used this strategy to block Sarah Bloom Raskin’s confirmation to the Federal Reserve board. She has since withdrawn her nomination."
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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #238 on: March 25, 2022, 05:33:17 PM »
Good thing they don't boycott committee votes.  :)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/threatened-gop-boycott-over-pre-sentencing-reports-collapses-after-some-members-show-reluctance/ar-AAVsIlz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=97aa84e38af5413a882faa10e8c39c87

"The idea, which would have seriously complicated Jackson’s path through the Senate toward confirmation, has been percolating since Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee used this strategy to block Sarah Bloom Raskin’s confirmation to the Federal Reserve board. She has since withdrawn her nomination."
They are boycotting her vote?


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Re: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
« Reply #239 on: March 25, 2022, 05:40:15 PM »
They are boycotting her vote?
They boycotted other committee votes. As far as her vote we don't know yet but they have boycotted in the past.
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