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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2022, 08:25:56 AM »
he hates him for his actions
Seems to be true for both. Not sure how you are missing that.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2022, 08:27:10 AM »
Does living in Israel, one of the only countries where Anti-Semitism is legal, count as "experiencing Anti-Semitism"? If so, you just have to open the paper to see the hate they spew day in and day out. Just yesterday, PM Bennet (yeah, that guy with around 6 seats [1/20th] in the Knesset) gave a speech about how they are only going to help "working families" because they serve in the army and they work, and they are "the good ones". This was obviously a bash on many Chareidi familes (who by the way, are working 24/7 to raise the next generation, much harder than those in Tel Aviv) who because of their religious beliefs [yes, we tried to make a Chareidi platoon, but the government ruined it,] cannot serve in the army and are Moser Nefesh to live on next to nothing in order to stay in Kollel and actually the real ones who protect and preserve Eretz Yisroel. Golus Israel.
I think applying the term antisemite to socio-economic policies within a specific counties economy trying to fight inflation and keep the workforce working and happy will take away from what others need to understand anti-semitism is around the world.

I don't know Israeli politics so I'm sure there is a whole lot that goes into this. But arguments like you are having apply to any country. In America when they give tax breaks to the middle class, people will yell racism and argue the money should go to the poorest parts of the country, and explain as you have why unemployment exists and they deserve the most help and again argue as you did the policies are steeped in racism etc.

Point being it may and I assume it does exist, but to use that as an example misses the point I think.

Also you are separating a Jew and a Jew who is discriminated against because he follows a specific derech of the Torah. It's important to differentiate those two. Because a real anti-Semite won't care if someone follows the Torah or not. So I would think it would have an overall benefit to differentiate anti-frum and anti-Semite, especially with regards to socio-economic policies of a country.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2022, 09:02:36 AM »
On the street I've been called dirty Jew, f'ing Jew, and have gotten several Heil Hilters out of the window of passing cars, in one case accompanied by the Nazi salute. Also been called f'ing Jew while being shot at on the street with a paintball gun.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2022, 09:09:03 AM »
So when a Chusid gets upset at a Litvak for being too Machmir on something and says a derogatory remark (or vice versa, or any 2 Jewish sects), is that antisemitism as well?
+1, this is a weird path to go down.

If this is anti-Semitism then I experienced anti-Chabad "anti-Semitism" everywhere from comments made by students and teachers in Litvisher schools to comments made by those enjoying Chabad House services, while making snide comments under their breath at the same time.

Polite and impolite disagreements within a religion is a different animal than what this thread was intended to highlight.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2022, 09:09:50 AM »
+1, this is a weird path to go down.

If this is anti-Semitism then I experienced anti-Chabad "anti-Semitism" everywhere from comments made by students and teachers in Litvisher schools to comments made by those enjoying Chabad House services, while making snide comments under their breath at the same time.

Polite and impolite disagreements within a religion is a different animal than what this thread was intended to highlight.
Now the experience of renting a car in TLV, that's proper anti-Semitism ;)
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2022, 09:16:50 AM »
+1, this is a weird path to go down.

If this is anti-Semitism then I experienced anti-Chabad "anti-Semitism" everywhere from comments made by students and teachers in Litvisher schools to comments made by those enjoying Chabad House services, while making snide comments under their breath at the same time.

Polite and impolite disagreements within a religion is a different animal than what this thread was intended to highlight.
Not saying I agree with op, but can it be called"within a religion" when they are Jewish only by virtue of birth and don't practice it at all?

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2022, 09:20:30 AM »
Not saying I agree with op, but can it be called"within a religion" when they are Jewish only by virtue of birth and don't practice it at all?
If they are halachic Jews, why not?
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2022, 09:24:20 AM »
If they are halachic Jews, why not?
I think his point was that if the hate stems from differences over how to practice religion, that is different than if it stems from shame (for lack of a better word), of being associated with someone because they do are both Jewish

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2022, 09:25:37 AM »
they are Jewish only by virtue of birth
Tell me you aren't chabad without saying you aren't chabad.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2022, 09:44:31 AM »
This thread is going to become another "some Jewish guy is blocking my driveway!"

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2022, 09:54:45 AM »
This thread is getting derailed big time now, happy Friday ;)
I thought I knew what race a Jew was, but you all confused that.
Then I thought I knew what antisemitism was but now you all confused that.
What's next, what Judaism is?  :)
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2022, 09:57:43 AM »
I thought I knew what race a Jew was, but you all confused that.
Then I thought I knew what antisemitism was but now you all confused that.
What's next, what Judaism is?  :)
Judaism is simple. It's about eating cholent every Shabbos morning.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2022, 10:01:56 AM »
I thought I knew what race a Jew was, but you all confused that.
Then I thought I knew what antisemitism was but now you all confused that.
What's next, what Judaism is?  :)
Easy.

1) Jews are not a race
2) Antisemitism is when someone is a jerk to me
3) Judaism is the belief system I adhere to, anyone who adheres to an iota more is an extremist outside the bounds of Judaism, and anyone who adheres to an iota less is a heretic.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2022, 10:02:30 AM »
Judaism is simple. It's about eating cholent every Shabbos morning.
Others will disagree which will make it confusing.  :P
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2022, 10:06:39 AM »
Judaism is simple. It's about eating fleishig cholent every Shabbos morning.
Ftfy.
Only heretics like @ExGingi eat parve cholent.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2022, 10:10:51 AM »
Ftfy.
Only heretics like @ExGingi eat parve cholent.

Nothing to do with cholent. It's about having a farbrengen/kiddush after mussaf on Shabbos. I usually tell those that want to daven mincha right after mussaf without sitting down for a farbrengen, that they are welcome to do so at the church on the corner of Brooklyn and Union.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2022, 10:18:59 AM »
Nothing to do with cholent. It's about having a farbrengen/kiddush after mussaf on Shabbos. I usually tell those that want to daven mincha right after mussaf without sitting down for a farbrengen, that they are welcome to do so at the church on the corner of Brooklyn and Union.
I usually tell people who want to davening mincha right after Mussaf that they will need to do it again after the zman anyhow and they shouldn't waste their time.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2022, 10:22:45 AM »
I find that hate from Chilonim towards Chareidim is overblown, and unfortunately is more accurate the other way around. The idiots demonstrating and blocking the streets for every trumped up offense are the ones mostly responsible for anti Chareidim hate these days.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2022, 10:25:19 AM »
I usually tell people who want to davening mincha right after Mussaf that they will need to do it again after the zman anyhow and they shouldn't waste their time.

He likely doesn't have the same issue  ;)

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2022, 10:29:06 AM »
Judaism is simple. It's about eating cholent every Shabbos morning.
That's what Litvaks think.  Chassidim eat chulent in the afternoon.
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