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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2022, 10:30:52 AM »
Judaism is simple. It's about eating cholent every Shabbos morning.
"eating "
Bais hillel says with a spoon Bais shaimai says with a fork and you aren't mikayim the mitzva with a spoon. Rabbi Tarfon said with a spoon or fork but only while sitting, the sages say in any position, once Rabbi Tarfon was eating at a kiddush and sat down before getting to the chulent, the sages said for that he must do teshuva.

"cholent"

Freddie says chulent means beans meat and potatoes but ExGingi says no meat just beans and potatoes, the sages say for this Exgingi must do teshuva.

"every"

Shabbos yom kipur and pesach are excluded according to all opinions.

"Shabbos morning"

aygart says morning means before chatzos hayom but only after davening. @rots5 says it means before hashkama minyan only. @ExGingi says this means before shachris at least before 4pm, but before musaf is also acceptable if you make kidush on vodka.

@CountValentine And now you can understand, what a simple statement is, that everyone agrees with means, in Judaism...
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2022, 10:32:25 AM »
This thread is getting derailed big time now, happy Friday ;)
How does the conflict between the Chilonim and the Charedim play out in Israel? What could be done to solve it?
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2022, 10:35:15 AM »
How does the conflict between the Chilonim and the Charedim play out in Israel? What could be done to solve it?

Ahavas Yisroel! Or more accurately אהבת חינם.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2022, 10:36:57 AM »
I usually tell people who want to davening mincha right after Mussaf that they will need to do it again after the zman anyhow and they shouldn't waste their time.

A non-issue when Shachris is just before chatzos.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2022, 10:38:08 AM »
Ahava Yisroel! Or more accurately אהבת חינם.
Free love?
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2022, 10:40:17 AM »
Free love?
In short to spread love even if it's illogical, love anyway.

(As for me, I have no idea, Israel is it's own ecosystem that many if not most American Jews don't know much about)
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2022, 10:41:32 AM »
In short to spread love even if it's illogical, love anyway.
Google almost got it.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2022, 10:42:07 AM »
How does the conflict between the Chilonim and the Charedim play out in Israel?
Think of it as the far right vs the far left.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2022, 10:46:17 AM »
Free love?

I would say that meaning of חינם would better translate into "for nothing".
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2022, 10:47:40 AM »
or "for no reason"
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2022, 10:50:38 AM »
+1, this is a weird path to go down.

If this is anti-Semitism then I experienced anti-Chabad "anti-Semitism" everywhere from comments made by students and teachers in Litvisher schools to comments made by those enjoying Chabad House services, while making snide comments under their breath at the same time.

Polite and impolite disagreements within a religion is a different animal than what this thread was intended to highlight.

As someone who attend both Chabad an Litvish Yeshivas, I was often surprised what one group thought/said about the other.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2022, 10:52:37 AM »
"eating "
Bais hillel says with a spoon Bais shaimai says with a fork and you aren't mikayim the mitzva with a spoon. Rabbi Tarfon said with a spoon or fork but only while sitting, the sages say in any position, once Rabbi Tarfon was eating at a kiddush and sat down before getting to the chulent, the sages said for that he must do teshuva.

"cholent"

Freddie says chulent means beans meat and potatoes but ExGingi says no meat just beans and potatoes, the sages say for this Exgingi must do teshuva.

"every"

Shabbos yom kipur and pesach are excluded according to all opinions.

"Shabbos morning"

aygart says morning means before chatzos hayom but only after davening. @rots5 says it means before hashkama minyan only. @ExGingi says this means before shachris at least before 4pm, but before musaf is also acceptable if you make kidush on vodka.

@CountValentine And now you can understand, what a simple statement is, that everyone agrees with means, in Judaism...
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2022, 10:56:38 AM »
How does the conflict between the Chilonim and the Charedim play out in Israel? What could be done to solve it?

I'm going to pop some popcorn.

Seriously though. I think in recent years, especially as the Charedi community's growth rate has far exceeded the Chiloni community's growth rate the rift between the two has not only been widened a bit, but also has been purposefully exacerbated by each sides leadership - very similar to Rep/Dem in the US in many ways.

There was a recent Israeli TV show called "the autonomy" set in a future where the charedi world of Israel was given it's own autonomous state within a state.

I'm under the impression that somewhere between 25-30% of the israel voting population will be Charedi by 2030, which will make for some very interesting elections.


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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2022, 10:58:09 AM »
As someone who attend both Chabad an Litvish Yeshivas, I was often surprised what one group thought/said about the other.
DDF has certainly helped to break some of these barriers

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2022, 11:34:55 AM »
He likely doesn't have the same issue  ;)
A non-issue when Shachris is just before chatzos.
Dunno, but the one time I davened shabbos morning in 770 I would have said the same thing, but those were under extenuating circumstances.
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2022, 11:40:49 AM »
I find that hate from Chilonim towards Chareidim is overblown, and unfortunately is more accurate the other way around. The idiots demonstrating and blocking the streets for every trumped up offense are the ones mostly responsible for anti Chareidim hate these days.
Typical

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2022, 11:42:51 AM »

Shabbos . . . pesach are excluded according to all opinions.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2022, 11:44:41 AM »

I'm not sure how you'd define an anti-semitic experience, but that's also a conversation to have.

Maybe start with a definition.  Here's one from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

Some examples are given on that website. I don't see chilonim vs. chareidim as fitting into those categories, so maybe we need a different word for that.

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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2022, 11:51:33 AM »
Maybe start with a definition.  Here's one from the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance:


Well, are they chareidim or chilonim?
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Re: Have You Experienced Anti-Semitism? Share Your Story
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2022, 11:58:41 AM »
That's what Litvaks think.  Chassidim eat chulent in the afternoon.

Huh?

Cholent is best on Friday afternoon, and on Shabbos morning BEFORE davening.
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