Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini

[zh cohen]

those in most danger are the NATO countries that border Russia.

Nope

[aygart]

I agree and those in most danger are the NATO countries that border Russia. They are supply weapons 24/7 to Ukraine.

Without the protection offered by their NATO membership you would be right. Fortunately for them, they have that membership. That you are ignoring that distinction is ludicrous.

[CountValentine]

Without the protection offered by their NATO membership you would be right. Fortunately for them, they have that membership. That you are ignoring that distinction is ludicrous.

I am not ignoring anything. The threat Russia poses to NATO countries is real. With that threat hanging over their heads they still are providing massive military support to Ukraine.

There are serious threats to many countries. Sounds like you are invoking some kind of threat scale.

[aygart]

There are serious threats to many countries. Sounds like you are invoking some kind of threat scale.

Of course I am. You aren't?

[CountValentine]

Of course I am. You aren't?

Nope. You get to a point where the threat is dangerous to many. Arguing one is 10 and another is 8 is pointless.

Would you want to be a NATO country being threatening nukes or a non-NATO country not being threatening with nukes?

[aygart]

Nope. You get to a point where the threat is dangerous to many. Arguing one is 10 and another is 8 is pointless.

I dont agree to these rules

[CountValentine]

I dont agree to these rules

Didn't ask you to. Was pointing out it is pointless. Now you want to go 100 pages about who it poses a bigger threat to and prove my point?

The fact of the matter is Israel has been late or nonexistent on measures other western countries have taken. They should be called out for it.

The US was called out for things like oil sanctions and no fly zone. Many here voiced their opinion against the US on those any many other issues. So, what should Israel be called out for?

[aygart]

  So, what should Israel be called out for?

For acting like bumbling fools trying to be all things at once.

[aygart]

CNN: Calling Putin a war criminal is a bigger deal than you think.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/politics/putin-war-criminal-ukraine-russia-what-matters/index.html

This has been a trend starting when he was VP. Biden has been saying anything he can to look tough at the expense of cutting off conversation with Putin.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nazi-concentration-camp-survivor-boris-romantschenko-killed-in-ukraine/ar-AAVkbzb?ocid=msedgntp

[Yehuda57]

America famously withheld weapons from Ukraine after talking a tough game. Every country has carved out exceptions to sanctions where it suited them. Oligarchs have been forced out of Israel and other countries have taken them in. Israel has played a more precarious balancing game than anyone and no other country has come under even close to the same scrutiny for it.

Meanwhile, articles about how the Ukrainians are analogous to Palestinians are looked at as "hard truths" by those decrying Israel's response to the war, while actual Palestinians walked out for Zelensky's speech and are firmly pro Russia. It would be bizarre and confusing if it wasn't completely expected.

[aygart]

America famously withheld weapons from Ukraine after talking a tough game. Every country has carved out exceptions to sanctions where it suited them. Oligarchs have been forced out of Israel and other countries have taken them in. Israel has played a more precarious balancing game than anyone and no other country has come under even close to the same scrutiny for it.

Meanwhile, articles about how the Ukrainians are analogous to Palestinians are looked at as "hard truths" by those decrying Israel's response to the war, while actual Palestinians walked out for Zelensky's speech and are firmly pro Russia. It would be bizarre and confusing if it wasn't completely expected.

The focus on Israel makes no sense. How will what they do make even a small difference.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/italian-lawmakers-boycott-zelensky-address-because-it-s-unfair-to-putin/ar-AAVkqFE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
"They didn’t invite Putin to give his side of the was story."

You can't make this stuff up. 

[yesitsme]

https://twitter.com/ighaworth/status/1506064200103129094

[aygart]

Refugees shouldn't need to fit a social agenda to be allowed into the US

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-we-should-invite-to-america-11648148744?st=xsfp4iarvjrh5tf&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

[CountValentine]

Refugees shouldn't need to fit a social agenda to be allowed into the US

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-we-should-invite-to-america-11648148744?st=xsfp4iarvjrh5tf&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Whats wrong with  “committed to protecting the most vulnerable among the refugee populations that have already fled,”?

[aygart]

Whats wrong with  “committed to protecting the most vulnerable among the refugee populations that have already fled,”?

Nothing with that half of the sentence

[CountValentine]

Nothing with that half of the sentence

Was the other half of the sentence a quote or commentary?

[aygart]

Was the other half of the sentence a quote or commentary?

The same thing is all over the place including cnn

[CountValentine]

The same thing is all over the place including cnn

That is why I disregard it. If it is not a direct quote it is worthless when you are going to add your (the author) commentary and pretend it is part of the quote.