Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini

[CountValentine]

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1498069224681578496

Thank you Biden!!!

[yesitsme]

Thank you Biden!!!

Seriously you prefer war in order to get a stronger nato?

[Yehuda57]

Don't know if they are protesting but are coming out against the invasion.
You can't remain silent forever.

If he speaks up and gets jailed or killed (both real possibilities, the former being more likely than not), what will that accomplish? And not only is he risking almost certain personal danger, like others have said, he's risking every Jewish person. For what gain?

The protestors are risking their lives, and that's something us Americans are blessed to have immense difficulty even fathoming. Their goal is to show Putin that public sentiment is against him. Will it work? I don't know, but it's possible it could have some affect. A high profile Rabbi speaking up will not only exact revenge from Putin, but from his supporters who will attack Jews in the street as traitors. And Putin will not change his behavior in the slightest.

The EU nations speaking up are also risking and sacrificing, but they stand to lose a tremendous amount with silence. You think he stops at Ukraine? Who knows. I certainly wouldn't risk it, and neither is the EU.

[CountValentine]

Seriously you prefer war in order to get a stronger nato?

No but I don't move the goalposts.

[CountValentine]

If he speaks up and gets jailed or killed (both real possibilities, the former being more likely than not), what will that accomplish? And not only is he risking almost certain personal danger, like others have said, he's risking every Jewish person. For what gain?

The person that could answer that is no longer with us, MLK.

[gozalim]

If he speaks up and gets jailed or killed (both real possibilities, the former being more likely than not), what will that accomplish? And not only is he risking almost certain personal danger, like others have said, he's risking every Jewish person. For what gain?

The protestors are risking their lives, and that's something us Americans are blessed to have immense difficulty even fathoming. Their goal is to show Putin that public sentiment is against him. Will it work? I don't know, but it's possible it could have some affect. A high profile Rabbi speaking up will not only exact revenge from Putin, but from his supporters who will attack Jews in the street as traitors. And Putin will not change his behavior in the slightest.

The EU nations speaking up are also risking and sacrificing, but they stand to lose a tremendous amount with silence. You think he stops at Ukraine? Who knows. I certainly wouldn't risk it, and neither is the EU.

he'd also be risking the lives of ukranian jews at the same time

[Yehuda57]

The person that could answer that is no longer with us, MLK.

Not even close to analogous.

To give you an idea of Chabad history in Russia/USSR would take far too long, but some of the people you are conversing with had grandparents and great grandparents sent to the gulag or killed. Their uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. Spoke out against Stalin and risked their lives, literally, to save others. The names of cities being spoken about in the news are familiar to us all. We grew up hearing them, and how our families suffered and sacrificed to fight against the regime.

Many of us have relatives in the Ukraine and Russia. I have second cousins there, my wife has many. This isn't a thought exercise for us.

Trust me, if Berel Lazar is not speaking up, it's not because Chabad Shluchim lack courage. If he had to die to save a Jew in Charkov, he'd do it without blinking.

[CountValentine]

Most of the US looks through the prism of the US. So, when I say MLK there is nothing that compares.

[Yehuda57]

Most of the US looks through the prism of the US. So, when I say MLK there is nothing that compares.

You're comparing people and situations that have no similarities.

[CountValentine]

Let's leave it at those that can speak up should speak up. Each person needs to look at the risks involved.

[aygart]

No but I don't move the goalposts.

So a negative became a positive because goalposts?

[CountValentine]

So a negative became a positive because goalposts?

No, you have two separate situations. It is not like -1 + 1 = 0

[CountValentine]

There is also a way to speak out without going after Putin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-war-will-be-catastrophic-for-russia-moscow-billionaire/ar-AAUnKyq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[yuneeq]

There is also a way to speak out without going after Putin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-war-will-be-catastrophic-for-russia-moscow-billionaire/ar-AAUnKyq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Anonymously? Very brave

[aygart]

No, you have two separate situations. It is not like -1 + 1 = 0

The world is closer to a world War than it had been in close to 40 years. That situation has brought nato together. It's that positive, negative, or goalposts?

[yesitsme]

[CountValentine]

Anonymously?

Say what?
Two other prominent Russian billionaires—Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska—urged for an end to hostilities with Ukraine.
"Peace is very important," Deripaska said in a Telegram post, according to Reuters. He called for peace talks between Moscow and Kyiv to commence "as fast as possible."
"I was born in Western Ukraine and lived there until I was 17. My parents are Ukrainian citizens and live in Lviv, my favorite city," Fridman wrote in a letter, of which excerpts were reported by Reuters. "But I have also spent much of my life as a citizen of Russia, building and growing businesses. I am deeply attached to the Ukrainian and Russian peoples and see the current conflict as a tragedy for them both."

[CountValentine]

The world is closer to a world War than it had been in close to 40 years. That situation has brought nato together. It's that positive, negative, or goalposts?

You can decide which is a positive, negative or whatever. If it happens on his watch, then he owns it.
That has been the goalposts from day one and have not moved.

[yesitsme]

You can decide which is a positive, negative or whatever. If it happens on his watch, then he owns it.
That has been the goalposts from day one and have not moved.

we are not discussing watches here we are discussing what actually happened
you claim Nato got better we claim the world became very unstable, and they are both true but to see if one deserves credit you need to run a risk/benefit analyses

[CountValentine]

we are not discussing watches here we are discussing what actually happened
you claim Nato got better we claim the world became very unstable, and they are both true but to see if one deserves credit you need to run a risk/benefit analyses

They are both credited to the person in office. If you want to say one is worse/better than the other I have no issue.
I am going to guess you feel the war is a bigger negative than strengthening NATO is as positive. What's the issue?