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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2022, 05:58:58 AM »
Thank you Biden!!!

What does Biden have to do with it? Unless you are agreeing with the article ExGingi posted, that Biden caused the war.

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2022, 08:33:54 AM »
Unless you are agreeing with the article ExGingi posted, that Biden caused the war.
I don't agree with Russia propaganda and was surprised he posted a piece of cr*p like that. 
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2022, 10:36:08 AM »
Say what?
Two other prominent Russian billionaires—Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska—urged for an end to hostilities with Ukraine.
"Peace is very important," Deripaska said in a Telegram post, according to Reuters. He called for peace talks between Moscow and Kyiv to commence "as fast as possible."
"I was born in Western Ukraine and lived there until I was 17. My parents are Ukrainian citizens and live in Lviv, my favorite city," Fridman wrote in a letter, of which excerpts were reported by Reuters. "But I have also spent much of my life as a citizen of Russia, building and growing businesses. I am deeply attached to the Ukrainian and Russian peoples and see the current conflict as a tragedy for them both."

Asking for peace is not called speaking out. Literally meaningless. Just like Alex Ovenchicken asked for peace but his instagram profile picture still shows him hanging out with his buddy Putin.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2022, 10:39:28 AM »
Asking for peace is not called speaking out. Literally meaningless. Just like Alex Ovenchicken asked for peace but his instagram profile picture still shows him hanging out with his buddy Putin.
We all understand how to read between the lines. When you are living under the rule of Putin as been pointed out many times you have to be careful what you say. Yes, I will call out anyone at this point who is buddy buddy with Putin!!!
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2022, 11:18:10 AM »
Say what?
Two other prominent Russian billionaires—Mikhail Fridman and Oleg Deripaska—urged for an end to hostilities with Ukraine.
"Peace is very important," Deripaska said in a Telegram post, according to Reuters. He called for peace talks between Moscow and Kyiv to commence "as fast as possible."
"I was born in Western Ukraine and lived there until I was 17. My parents are Ukrainian citizens and live in Lviv, my favorite city," Fridman wrote in a letter, of which excerpts were reported by Reuters. "But I have also spent much of my life as a citizen of Russia, building and growing businesses. I am deeply attached to the Ukrainian and Russian peoples and see the current conflict as a tragedy for them both."
Both these people are multinational businessmen, dual or more citizens, and people with histories of humanitarian agendas. (Both Jewish too, incidentally.) IDK if they're necessarily indicative of the universal mindset among the nationalist Russian elite and powerful.

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2022, 12:23:09 PM »
Did Russia ever hear of Google maps? Ukraine is removing all road signs and markers to confuse them.
The more I see of this it looks like this isn't a superpower military.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2022, 12:46:24 PM »
Did Russia ever hear of Google maps? Ukraine is removing all road signs and markers to confuse them.
The more I see of this it looks like this isn't a superpower military.
Soldiers are not allowed to be using smartphones in combat.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2022, 12:47:05 PM »
Did Russia ever hear of Google maps? Ukraine is removing all road signs and markers to confuse them.
The more I see of this it looks like this isn't a superpower military.
How about did Russia ever hear that vehicles need gas?  Seems like they forgot that as well.

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2022, 12:50:55 PM »

The more I see of this it looks like this isn't a superpower military.

You're seeing pretty one sided coverage. Our media may not be as governmentally controlled as Chinese or Russian, but it's still pretty slanted.

In general, an underdog has a coverage advantage, because any victory of theirs is celebrated and flaunted in the face of the more powerful opponent as a major humiliation, and any defeat they suffer either isn't really reported as a classic dog bites man or is used as example of abuse that poor defenseless underdog is undergoing. It's a general issue with imbalanced conflicts.

Israel is used to dealing with both sides of the desk in this (either as underdog when dealing with other countries much larger and better funded than them, or as big dog when dealing with terrorist groups).

So far we haven't really been hearing of any major Ukrainian defeats or upsets except in the context of martyrdom and great heroism. We're not really getting a transparent picture of situation on ground, because our feeds are flooded with man bites dog stories.

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2022, 12:51:35 PM »
How about did Russia ever hear that vehicles need gas?  Seems like they forgot that as well.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2022, 12:53:07 PM »
How about did Russia ever hear that vehicles need gas?  Seems like they forgot that as well.

Theory on those is that they're trying to avoid entering city with tanks (where there's zero maneuverability and high visibility and a tank is a sitting duck death trap for anti tank units).

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2022, 12:56:02 PM »
You're seeing pretty one sided coverage. Our media may not be as governmentally controlled as Chinese or Russian, but it's still pretty slanted.

In general, an underdog has a coverage advantage, because any victory of theirs is celebrated and flaunted in the face of the more powerful opponent as a major humiliation, and any defeat they suffer either isn't really reported as a classic dog bites man or is used as example of abuse that poor defenseless underdog is undergoing. It's a general issue with imbalanced conflicts.

Israel is used to dealing with both sides of the desk in this (either as underdog when dealing with other countries much larger and better funded than them, or as big dog when dealing with terrorist groups).

So far we haven't really been hearing of any major Ukrainian defeats or upsets except in the context of martyrdom and great heroism. We're not really getting a transparent picture of situation on ground, because our feeds are flooded with man bites dog stories.
I don't believe everything I read.

Where is the air support when all this military armor is on the move? I see news people right on the roadside as the tanks going by. Talk about easy ambush targets. Russia looks like they are putting on a military parade.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2022, 12:57:02 PM »
Theory on those is that they're trying to avoid entering city with tanks (where there's zero maneuverability and high visibility and a tank is a sitting duck death trap for anti tank units).
As opposed to lining up on a bridge without air support?
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2022, 01:02:40 PM »
I don't believe everything I read.

Where is the air support when all this military armor is on the move? I see news people right on the roadside as the tanks going by. Talk about easy ambush targets. Russia looks like they are putting on a military parade.

They should mow all those people down? How's that gonna look for public sentiment (in Russia, Ukraine, China, and globally)?

There's a reason why human shields are so popular. They're remarkably effective.

It does seem clear that Russia is not treating this as a full fledged all out war yet. They can release significantly more fire and fury and escalate the intensity well before getting to nuclear options. They seem to have strategic reasons why they are holding back from doing so.

We may not really understand Putin's goals, but it seems accepted among policy thinkers and subject experts that a full annexation is not it. He wants submission and a dominant voice and strategic areas under his control, not a full fledged conquest. More like a Belarusian relationship (although Lukashenko seems to be on way out too).

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2022, 01:16:04 PM »
Would it be fair to say Putin thought this was going to be another Crimea?
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2022, 01:45:42 PM »
Jennifer Griffin is reporting Russia can't fight a ground invasion at night because they have poor night vision capabilities.
Can this be true? 
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2022, 02:57:10 PM »
Would it be fair to say Putin thought this was going to be another Crimea?
Hard to imagine he thought anything else at this point. Fired his head of military would indicate that as well.
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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2022, 03:38:02 PM »
Seems like when all you do is hammering propaganda to the western world about the enormous might and capabilities of your military, inevitably it will come back to haunt you.

Is it possible that the Russians while bragging about their hypersonic missiles were lagging behind with basic military discipline, training, exercises, equipment tuning, and overall structure? Definitely looks like it. They may have pumped billions into developing advanced weapons but seems like their military personnel and structure is far less professional than western standards.

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Re: Russia VS Ukraine || slava ukraini
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2022, 03:40:37 PM »
Needs to get drones there ASAP. Their conveys are sitting ducks!!!
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