New Chassidish Community Planned in Florida (Lakefront Estates)

[ushdadude]

or at least buy a vacation home there?

I thought they were trying to avoid that

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There's a bright line station in west palm Beach.

From okochobee to train would be an hour and the train to downtown Miami about 45 min or so, they are testing the trains at 110mph soon

I would develop the community based on proximity to bright line, the trains will connect Dade, Broward, palm Beach, Orlando, Tampa.

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There's no reason to think anybody needs to commute, btw wpb is quickly becoming a major financial center.

There's no reason to think they won't do anything like on monsey busses, busses to wpb, minyan etc

I'm sure they'll set up a business park too etc

Smart construction is my concern, you need really good quality homes for weather optimization, put on solar panels etc

Design the city for optimal tree canopy, cover roads etc you'll reduce the heat.

Good drainage can also eliminate mosquitoes

I'm obsessed with cities needing tree canopy, less asphalt, better drainage, better heat reduction, higher quality of air...

So if you can build this city with limited cars and a crap ton of trees etc that would be awesome

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4730508/
There's new technology now that causes the heat to bounce off and not be absorbed on paved surfaces

I think if you' build a community from scratch do it right.
Even a country style community has much room to be improved on.

Massive tree canopy .. then

https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/las-new-reflective-streets-bounce-heat-back-into-space

A lot of this stuff done at the beggining would go a long way to create ideal temperature community.

And as I said, solar panels would be a boon, no grid reliance, no electric bills, no blackouts.

[Sammy82]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4730508/
There's new technology now that causes the heat to bounce off and not be absorbed on paved surfaces

I think if you' build a community from scratch do it right.
Even a country style community has much room to be improved on.

Massive tree canopy .. then

https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/las-new-reflective-streets-bounce-heat-back-into-space

A lot of this stuff done at the beggining would go a long way to create ideal temperature community.

And as I said, solar panels would be a boon, no grid reliance, no electric bills, no blackouts.

Everything has it plus and minuses. Electric cars-great. Until.... there's a heat wave and government tells you you can't charge ur car (yes solar panels may solve this problem but it will create others).  Not saying one way is better than the other. But it's not black and white.

[ushdadude]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4730508/
There's new technology now that causes the heat to bounce off and not be absorbed on paved surfaces

I think if you' build a community from scratch do it right.
Even a country style community has much room to be improved on.

Massive tree canopy .. then

https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/las-new-reflective-streets-bounce-heat-back-into-space

A lot of this stuff done at the beggining would go a long way to create ideal temperature community.

And as I said, solar panels would be a boon, no grid reliance, no electric bills, no blackouts.

how about a shirt made out of desiccant packets to help combat the humidity?

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That's just moronic the last 2 replies

"On average, there are 250 sunny days per year in South Miami. The US average is 205 sunny days. "

My friend in California has solar and a battery backup, on the off chance you'll have no sunshine for 3 days straight beyond the battery? Eh..

You're just as likely to lose power from a massive storm .

But anyways, sure, build your neighborhood making fun of the environmental impact, you'll live in a hot jungle like New York...

Or you can actually plan out a nice city that reduces heat and increases air quality

[Ver hut gazugt]

Or you can actually plan out a nice city that reduces heat and increases air quality

by how much and at what cost?
Also, I highly doubt roof top solar will have less blackouts. It’s not just the issue of three days with no sunshine. There are other issues such as  equipment failure and with no coned to fix in a few hours…


I am not against these ideas but one would need to see the whole picture.

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If you're building a city from scratch this would cost no money.

Solar powered street lights etc etc

Trees are cheap, look good, healthy and provide shade.

You'd probably get government grants and such

Solar would benefit because you'd anyways need to install electric lines, if you gonna do something like that, why not go solar?

It costs extra sure but pays itself off, you think you'll get FPL to send trucks to yehupitzvile so fast?

They can probably anyways wire each house to a main hub with power storage etc

There were many asking who wants to move into the middle of nowhere, I think if you can create a model community, you have an appeal. Otherwise no one would go

The electric bill of a frum family there would run easily $300+ a month

Solar wouldn't be so expensive if you did it for 1000 homes.

Maybe I'm just dreaming, as a Florida native I don't mind the weather but you can tame it.

Cities have successfully lowered temps by 3-5 degrees.

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https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/08/ways-to-cool-cities-and-avoid-urban-heat-islands/

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-city-heatwave-adaptations/?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Who builds a city in 2022 in Florida without a heavy emphasis on energy and heat reduction?

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[Something Fishy]

There were many asking who wants to move into the middle of nowhere, I think if you can create a model community, you have an appeal. Otherwise no one would go

Amount of Chassidim who would base their decision of moving here based on any of this: zero.

Your premise is flawed from the get-go.

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Amount of Chassidim who would base their decision of moving here based on any of this: zero.

Your premise is flawed from the get-go.

That's unfortunate for them, it's less about how many will move vs how many will stay.

Look at Saudi Arabia, the way they plan their crazy city.

It remains to be seen what happens there, but if you're building in 2022, think like 2022.

You really need to think like 2024 which is when people move in.

$300 a month is the average electric bill from people I know , assuming these houses are built with full energy efficiency you'd be lowering but assuming NY people will keep AC on lower.

Pool is gonna add

Many cities now use solar power to power street lights.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/865890/jewish/Solar-Energy.htm

Electric power lines are an outdated system.

You're more likely as stated, to have your lines knocked down by a storm, than not have sunshine etc

I remember 1 week maybe 2 years ago in the summer, it was cloudy all week .. ok

Anyways, I really don't give 2 craps, walk to shul in the scorching heat do what you want.

[Bukboy]

Anyone here plan on moving to lakefront?

Yes.
On Sunday around 25-30 of us met with the investors and ruv. Couple of rounds to be followed

[Luvtotravel]

Yes.
On Sunday around 25-30 of us met with the investors and ruv. Couple of rounds to be followed

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[efflpetzel]

Yes.
On Sunday around 25-30 of us met with the investors and ruv. Couple of rounds to be followed

How many confirmed buyers are there at this point?

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https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126900340/florida-community-designed-weather-hurricane-ian-babcock-ranch-solar

It's easy for people to shrug and mock but this is exactly what I proposed.

Solar power, water absorption... Etc and I still believe tree canopy is critical for shade and cooler weather etc .

You need underground lines to withstand storms etc

Stronger houses means more affordable insurance rates..

Also less electric consumption

But hey mock me!

[EliJelly]

What you propose is the most ideal city to build indeed, you're just posting it in the wrong thread. The chassidishe building code is more like this.

[Ver hut gazugt]

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126900340/florida-community-designed-weather-hurricane-ian-babcock-ranch-solar

It's easy for people to shrug and mock but this is exactly what I proposed.

Solar power, water absorption... Etc and I still believe tree canopy is critical for shade and cooler weather etc .

You need underground lines to withstand storms etc

Stronger houses means more affordable insurance rates..

Also less electric consumption

But hey mock me!

I don’t think people where mocking you c”v ( sorry if it came out that way), just trying to have a conversation and to show other view points.

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Florida insurance market is a disaster, One of the things you have is where say Dade county subsidizes storm proofing..

Every time there is a storm in somebody's home on the water gets blown away. Somebody will say oh hey who builds a home on the water. A lot of people built houses in areas that were not in flood zones when built .

Florida once had extensive mangroves and wetlands that shielded from flooding etc ..

We need to separate global warming and human created urban disasters. ..

California's got fires, the west has droughts.

Even if everybody evacuates before every storm that doesn't help you in dealing with your damage to your house. When you look at it, it's a two-way thing.

Houses built hurricane proof are also easier to cool / heat etc ..

And yes I did mention about getting solar,  no electric bills, no blackouts, no power lines etc

As far as the other things go, people don't think these things out, but if you are having to deal with the heat, I suggest you walk in Florida, first on a treeless street than under trees.. you'll see the difference