Libs of Tik Tok

[aygart]

@CountValentine you have been uncharacteristically quiet today  .
Anything to say on the matter?

What defines morality, if not God, and why?

Why does he need to respond to everything?

[Shmueli]

Why does he need to respond to everything?

Well I guess not on the things that he's wrong about...
That would be awkward!
 

[Shmueli]

Why does he need to respond to everything?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how morality "is based on basic engineering/science"?
Haven't yet received an answer... That's all.
NO hard feelings

[EliJelly]

Well I guess not on the things that he's wrong about...
That would be awkward!
 

Vacaying in Cancun now.
CV isn't wrong about anything, just stop consuming the kool aid pretzels and you'll see for yourself.

[imayid2]

My post comes from the words of Rav Elchonon Wasserman years before the persecutions in Germany. He said that Germans will kill Jews. Those assembled were shocked. "They German's are the most cultured people, how will they kill people?" Rav Elchonon cited the pasuk "Rak ein yiras Elokim bamakom hazah veyeharguni al dvar ishti." He said that in a society where there is no Yiras Hashem (fear of G-d), even the most moral/cultured society can come to kill people. They will just amend their laws to legalize murder.

Prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials recognized that the defendants’ conduct was not only permitted, but mandated, by the legal system to which they were held accountable. The charge was that they knew that their actions were indefensible because they had a compelling, self-evident duty to obey a higher law. Several decades later, Lieutenant William Calley was court-martialed for following orders in massacring the civilian inhabitants of My Lai during the Vietnam War.13 Vestiges of natu- ral law may remain and be unrecognized even when a comprehensive doctrine of natural law is vehemently denied. Elements of natural law doctrine may find expression, albeit unacknowledged, in various legal systems.

[CountValentine]

How would I know?? Ask them!

You kinda just made my point! 

I disproved your point. They have morals just like everyone else.

[CountValentine]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how morality "is based on basic engineering/science"?

1 - Stop making up things you claim I said.
2 - Any morality that depends upon belief in G-d is inherently unsound. Those who claim to believe in G-d can't even agree on what is moral or not.

[imayid2]

2 - Any morality that depends upon belief in G-d is inherently unsound. Those who claim to believe in G-d can't even agree on what is moral or not.

Morality without God is inherently unsound

What defines morality, if not God, and why?

[Shmueli]

I disproved your point. They have morals just like everyone else.

But that's the question!
What are their morals based off??

I'm not saying atheists are necessarily immoral people, I am simply asking how you can decide what is and isn't moral on logic or anything else?

[Shmueli]

1 - Stop making up things you claim I said.
2 - Any morality that depends upon belief in G-d is inherently unsound. Those who claim to believe in G-d can't even agree on what is moral or not.

As @imayid2 pointed out, you still haven't answered the question.

What defines morality, if not God, and why?

[Shmueli]

Those who claim to believe in G-d

Who claim?

[CountValentine]

Morality without God is inherently unsound

Who's G-d?

[Shmueli]

Who's G-d?

The creator of the universe.
And?

[DaasTora]

Who's G-d?

As the famous story goes: someone came to the berditchever Ruv when he was a young child and told him, I’ll give a gold coin if you tell me where’s God. To which the child responded, I’ll give you two if you tell me where he isn’t…..

[DaasTora]

The creator of the universe.
And?

גיי זיי מסביר א גוי ברטנורא……

[CountValentine]

The Quran claims to be G-d's word. Are the morals in the Quran the morals we should live by?

[imayid2]

Who's G-d?

Take your pick

[CountValentine]

Take your pick

The Quran claims to be G-d's word. Are the morals in the Quran the morals we should live by?

[Shmueli]

I think we are going around in circles here. Let's recap and maybe we will be able to come to some common agreement...


CV and the boyz were having a disagreement about whether LGBTQ+ activity is immoral or not.

Shmueli: LGBTQ+ is immoral.

CV: No, it's super moral.

Shmueli: Well, who defines what's moral or not? I say God does, and God says LGBTQ+ is immoral

CV: Well what about if you're atheist?

Shmueli: IDK. That's what I was asking you! How do you define morality if not based on the word of God?

CV: Who's God?

[imayid2]

The Quran claims to be G-d's word. Are the morals in the Quran the morals we should live by?

A lot yes, some not.
Being that from my perspective some of their beliefs are corrupt, obviously they’ll be differences, but overall the 3 major religions historically share much of the same general “biblical moral” beliefs.