Author Topic: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein  (Read 5101 times)

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2022, 09:09:23 PM »
That's insane.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2022, 11:29:20 PM »
That's insane.

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IMO this is the epitome of אלא מעשים טובים בלבד
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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2022, 12:00:44 AM »
I don't get it. Why was he convincing them to take out piercings, and why would it be a something to want to be buried with?

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2022, 12:34:44 AM »
IMO this is the epitome of אלא מעשים טובים בלבד
yea wow that’s incredible
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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2022, 10:47:15 AM »
I don't get it. Why was he convincing them to take out piercings, and why would it be a something to want to be buried with?

in the Torah, only a slave gets piercings. those who pierce are generally slaves to their Yetzer Harah. By taking out the piercings they are symbolizing the removing the shackles of the Yetzer Hara and returning to Hashem. Thus, any removal of a piercing is one step closer to Hashem and Rabbi Wallerstein wanted to take that zechus up to Shamayim with him.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2022, 10:50:17 AM »
On a very simple level, someone who removes their piercings is showing that they are ready to commit to leading a more Torahdik lifestyle. That's what I thought his point was. Similar to Rav Amnon Yitzchok cutting off ponytails.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2022, 10:52:25 AM »
I don't get it. Why was he convincing them to take out piercings, and why would it be a something to want to be buried with?

For these individuals the piercing represents something and the willingness to remove it represents moving away from what the piercing represents.

What he cherished and embraced was the individuals at hand and their efforts, which are represented by the removed piercing.
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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2022, 11:01:43 AM »
On a very simple level, someone who removes their piercings is showing that they are ready to commit to leading a more Torahdik lifestyle. That's what I thought his point was. Similar to Rav Amnon Yitzchok cutting off ponytails.

I also thought of this corollary, but AY comes across as more of a quick-fix/showman and allegedly some/many people who are inspired at his events and remove their ponytail (men) or put on a head covering (women), often regress as the inspiration is easy-come-easy-go (tbh I’ve seen this happen in Chabad outreach as well, so it isn’t meant to be a judgement of AY or his methods).

Rabbi Wallerstein invested time, effort, money, blood, tears, and most of all presence in these people’s lives, and that kind of investment is much more sustainable.
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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2022, 11:17:07 AM »
I don't get it. Why was he convincing them to take out piercings, and why would it be a something to want to be buried with?
Imagine it’s your child chv”s.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2022, 11:27:27 AM »
I don't get it. Why was he convincing them to take out piercings, and why would it be a something to want to be buried with?

many of these piercing's where also in not very aidel places

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2022, 11:48:33 AM »
For these individuals the piercing represents something and the willingness to remove it represents moving away from what the piercing represents.

What he cherished and embraced was the individuals at hand and their efforts, which are represented by the removed piercing.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2022, 01:02:27 PM »
For these individuals the piercing represents something and the willingness to remove it represents moving away from what the piercing represents.

What he cherished and embraced was the individuals at hand and their efforts, which are represented by the removed piercing.
In his own words
https://youtu.be/jnhyiCtMFO4

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2022, 01:18:45 PM »
Most of you are saying a similar idea (symbolic of general desire for torah lifestyle), which I would guess would be R' Wallerstein's actual answer. A few responses were strange at best - see below. I suppose my befuddlement is that it seems like a very surface level kind of at thing that sort of hints at lifestyle issues, which would be strange to make a symbol out of. But obviously this is not my field, and I can hear where maybe he would say the metzius is that the additional piercings are in fact very symbolic for these girls, and therefore for him when they agree to remove them.

in the Torah, only a slave gets piercings...
Source? It's a nice shtikel torah, but I think most Jewish women have the 1 piercing on each ear, and many major poskim explain why that's mutar. Any halachic issues with further piercings are related to issurim of chavala, chukos hagoyim, maybe even kedoshim tiyu depending on the location - not because of some explicit issue of being like a slave.
Imagine it’s your child chv”s.
Not sure what this means exactly. If ch"v my child was OTD with all sorts of piercing, and they were chozer b'tshuva, would I hold onto their old piercings, or would I specifically want the person who was mekarev them to hold onto them? Hard for me to answer without being in that situation, but I would imagine the answer is no.
many of these piercing's where also in not very aidel places
I would imagine that would make me less likely to pin them to my tallis bag, not more likely. Do you specifically know that's what these were?

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2022, 01:23:31 PM »
In his own words
https://youtu.be/jnhyiCtMFO4
Lol, posted right as I wrote a whole response.

To me this is a big part of his gadlus. Many here can write a similar thing with similar words, and yet his phrasing and presentation hits a million times harder.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2022, 01:32:47 PM »
Not sure what this means exactly. If ch"v my child was OTD with all sorts of piercing, and they were chozer b'tshuva, would I hold onto their old piercings, or would I specifically want the person who was mekarev them to hold onto them? Hard for me to answer without being in that situation, but I would imagine the answer is no.I would imagine that would make me less likely to pin them to my tallis bag, not more likely. Do you specifically know that's what these were?
These are his keys to Gan Eden (as if he needed them). When asked what he accomplished on this world he’ll drop these piercings on the table.

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Re: BDE Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2022, 01:40:39 PM »
Lol, posted right as I wrote a whole response.

To me this is a big part of his gadlus. Many here can write a similar thing with similar words, and yet his phrasing and presentation hits a million times harder.

Because it came from the heart. This man exhaled sincerity.

These are his keys to Gan Eden (as if he needed them). When asked what he accomplished on this world he’ll drop these piercings on the table.

I don’t think this was even on the back of his mind. As he states in the video, he was telling “Abby” that by taking this Talis bag with him to Shul and to his grave L”A, he would be carrying a reminder of her with him forever.
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