Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade

[imayid2]

https://lailluminator.com/2022/06/24/louisianas-trigger-law-to-restrict-abortion-goes-into-effect-with-supreme-court-ruling/

In Louisiana, abortion is now illegal in almost in all cases. State law only allows for exceptions if pregnant woman’s life is in danger from a physical illness or a pregnant woman could otherwise sustain “serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ.”  ....[Women] whose life might be at risk because of suicidal thoughts or another mental illness cannot use those conditions to access an abortion in Louisiana.

In an instance where there is a specific state would be at odds with that, they can simply go to a neighboring state.

https://lailluminator.com/2022/06/24/louisianas-trigger-law-to-restrict-abortion-goes-into-effect-with-supreme-court-ruling/

A pregnancy that results from rape or incest is also not eligible.

Nor would it be according to Jewish law.

[zh cohen]

Are those always a good thing? #freakenomicschapter4

Pretty sure this claim has been debunked, or at least is not as true as they claim.

But even if it was true, I don't think it is a price worth paying for a reduction in crime rates.

[zh cohen]

I'll see you at all the sholom zochors tonight in Gaza then?

Yes, anything that would cause the people of Gaza to value the lives of their children more is a very good thing.

[biobook]

Nor would it be according to Jewish law.

mental health?

[imayid2]

mental health?

mental health in extreme cases would be allowed. I refer to instances of rape and incest.

[biobook]

mental health in extreme cases would be allowed. I refer to instances of rape and incest.

But not allowed in Louisiana.  I think Georgia also excludes it. 

[zh cohen]

rape and incest.

I assume that those who say this are referring to cases of incest that are rape.

So isn't specifying incest redundant?

[aygart]

For those who don't understand the irony I mentioned, look up the words supreme court and gun. Their decision was that no State should have the right to limit a person's ability to carry guns. However, today's decision says that the States do have the right to limit a person's access to abortions. Nothing could make it more transparent that the supreme court is simply voting on issues based on their personal politics, without shame.

I am not a pro gun or anti abortion guy as can be seen around DDF, but there is no comparison between one enshrined in the constitution and one squeezed into it.

[lcm]

A nice collection of Torah sources on abortion
https://www.estumult.com/topics/categories/abortion

[imayid2]

But not allowed in Louisiana.  I think Georgia also excludes it.

"in an instance where there is a specific state would be at odds with that, they can simply go to a neighboring state."

[imayid2]

I assume that those who say this are referring to cases of incest that are rape.

So isn't specifying incest redundant?

I assume they aren't

[imayid2]

First, I'm not sure why all of you seem to care that a bunch of unwanted babies will be born in states such as Louisiana and Texas. You don't know one way or another any of the people that this affects. You aren't aware that these people exist, will never meet any of them, and certainly wouldn't be willing to ensure their welfare.

Here's the thing, murder is morally wrong, even if you don't like, or care for, or ever meet the victim. An immoral society affects us in many ways, the glorifying of this type of murder, completely at odd with the Jewish sanctity of life, is one of them.

Second, this is entirely a battle between evangelical xians and secular society. We don't fall into either group, and neither outcome is going to be consistent with our halacha. The only way I can look at it is that one outcome allows us to practice in accordance with our halacha and the other may not. If past history has taught us anything it is that when the rule of law is based on religion we do not benefit.

Huh? All they said is that it is not a constitutionally mandated "right". Does anyone really doubt that?

[farmbochur]

From a religious perspective, how can paving the way for states to ban/limit murder, which many states will follow through on, be anything other than positive?
Care to explain why it's ironic?

What happens when a frum person needs to abort?

Or when a frum couple wants to do IVF https://archive.ph/lWeub

[Zalc]

Pretty sure this claim has been debunked, or at least is not as true as they claim.

But even if it was true, I don't think it is a price worth paying for a reduction in crime rates.

They did a episode on that recently, revisiting the studies.

https://castbox.fm/vd/494261097

[Sam 77]

Justice Bader Ruth Ginsburg  is rolling in her grave.

[Euclid]

"in an instance where there is a specific state would be at odds with that, they can simply go to a neighboring state."

My neighbor had an ectopic pregnancy and hatzolah rushed her to the hospital where they did an abortion to save her. Not always do people have time to travel out of state. 

[imayid2]

My neighbor had an ectopic pregnancy and hatzolah rushed her to the hospital where they did an abortion to save her. Not always do people have time to travel out of state.

There is no state that would ban such an abortion. An ectopic pregnancy is non-compatible with life.

[zh cohen]

Or when a frum couple wants to do IVF https://archive.ph/lWeub

That bill was opposed even by pro-life groups, and has been amended. (Which is the way it is supposed to work. It is up to people in specific states to push for laws. Those who believe that abortion should be allowed in certain circumstances, as Halacha does, should push for their state legislatures to pass such laws)

[zh cohen]

Justice Bader Ruth Ginsburg  is rolling in her grave.

Actually she is now in olam ha'emes, and therefore has a very different view on this matter.

[Sam 77]

Actually she is now in olam ha'emes, and therefore has a very different view on this matter.

True.