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Should @countvalentine and @imayid2 stop with there endless bickering

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Voting closed: October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PM

Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 124078 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1620 on: October 13, 2022, 04:31:02 PM »
Now you are judging others on how religious they are.
Right bec. it is a radical thing to say that a religions view on something is decided by those who actually practice and study it.
ROF!
The problem here could be no clearer but you will never see it.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1621 on: October 13, 2022, 04:33:30 PM »
There is no other "view".
Just contradictory statements?  :)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1622 on: October 13, 2022, 04:35:59 PM »
Right bec. it is a radical thing to say that a religions view on something is decided by those who actually practice and study it.
Let me now give my view on that. The word G-d is absolute but the word of man is corrupt!!!
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1623 on: October 13, 2022, 04:38:20 PM »
Let me now give my view on that. The word G-d is absolute but the word of man is corrupt!!!
Lol. In my religion it is sort of the opposite:
תורה לא בשמים היא!
Not for now.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1624 on: October 13, 2022, 04:42:32 PM »
Lol. In my religion it is sort of the opposite:
Then that is the problem as all mankind is corrupt to some point but G-d is not.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1625 on: October 13, 2022, 05:46:12 PM »
Oh I read every word in those 48 pages, you can be sure of that. But a one page article from Chabad proved too difficult for you to finish, or even check the footnote ::)
Footnote as this one:
For example: (a) The fetus might or might not have been fully viable, and there is no way to know for certain. Thus, this technicality prevents us from holding the assailant liable for capital punishment. (b) The context of this verse is about murder, but in fact there may be a number of other prohibitions that were transgressed.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1626 on: October 13, 2022, 05:53:09 PM »
Footnote as this one from the pretzel factory?
For example: (a) The fetus might or might not have been fully viable, and there is no way to know for certain. Thus, this technicality prevents us from holding the assailant liable for capital punishment. (b) The context of this verse is about murder, but in fact there may be a number of other prohibitions that were transgressed.
Hmm. So you are calling my religion a pretzel. At least I now know this isn't personal :o.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1627 on: October 13, 2022, 06:01:02 PM »
Hmm. So you are calling my religion a pretzel.
Was not my intent but it does read that way, so I apologize.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1628 on: October 13, 2022, 07:23:22 PM »
Was not my intent but it does read that way, so I apologize.
To be honest that doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm disturbed when you pretend the view I'm explaining to you isn't the view of my religion. And that somehow some woke progressive group is an equal viewpoint of my religion, which is basically the same as saying Christianity is a valid viewpoint of Judaism because it's derived from it.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1629 on: October 13, 2022, 07:47:38 PM »
...which is basically the same as saying Christianity is a valid viewpoint of Judaism because it's derived from it.
What's next that this country was founded on Judeo/Christian values?  ::)
I'm disturbed when you pretend the view I'm explaining to you isn't the view of my religion. And that somehow some woke progressive group is an equal viewpoint of my religion...
I am not pretending anything. You are in a tough situation with abortion. You are trying to explain your unexplainable view but just don't realize it.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1630 on: October 13, 2022, 08:22:42 PM »
What's next that this country was founded on Judeo/Christian values?
With a large dose of deism FWIU.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1631 on: October 13, 2022, 08:25:07 PM »
You are in a tough situation with abortion. You are trying to explain your unexplainable view but just don't realize it.
If you're referring to my religious beliefs, I have never attempted to explain "why". Rather "what". Keep that in mind. I am not a deist.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1632 on: October 13, 2022, 08:34:15 PM »
If you're referring to my religious beliefs, I have never attempted to explain "why". Rather "what". Keep that in mind. I am not a deist.
I am referring to your view on abortion.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1633 on: October 13, 2022, 08:57:27 PM »
I am referring to your view on abortion.
Right. I've been focusing mostly on what my religions view is. Which is my personal view. Now as for all the philosophical and rationalistic reasons to justify it? That's not too important to me. He who bestows life gets to make the rules on when it starts. I don't have to fully understand it.
But don't get me wrong. There is a point in time where religion isn't necessarily to recognize the obvious.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1634 on: October 13, 2022, 09:08:42 PM »
Right. I've been focusing mostly on what my religions view is. Which is my personal view.
That is great and no issue.
You believe aborting an embryo is murder.
Others believe it is not.
I have no issue with either position. If I understand your view. You have a major issue with those that don't agree with you.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1635 on: October 13, 2022, 09:10:48 PM »


WHEN THEY ARE ALLOWED IT ISN"T BECAUSE THE BABY ISN"T YET BORN! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHEN LIFE STARTS! IT WOULD HYPOTHETICALLY BE TRUE THAT A CHILD WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE KILLED FOR SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES AS WELL!


This is not simple at all if not totally incorrect.

Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1636 on: October 13, 2022, 09:12:12 PM »

This is not simple at all if not totally incorrect.
So yelling doesn't make it true?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1637 on: October 13, 2022, 09:32:42 PM »

This is not simple at all
No one said it is. I'm explaining what he consistently refers to as "my" viewpoint which in this conversation is RMF which is fair to portray as very valid viewpoint, certainly in the context of the claim in the article he cited.
if not totally incorrect.
If you have a substance based argument why not say it instead of making aloof statements? This is a simplified portrayal of his position. Let me know where you disagree. Certainly the main point I'm using it for stands.
Wouldn't it be also appropriate to back up some of the valid points you know to be true if you're involved in this conversation?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1638 on: October 13, 2022, 09:35:17 PM »
You have a major issue with those that don't agree with you.
That would depend. Some alternative viewpoints have validity, while some are a complete distortion.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1639 on: October 13, 2022, 09:38:40 PM »
That would depend. Some alternative viewpoints have validity, while some are a complete distortion.
I gave you an example.
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