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Should @countvalentine and @imayid2 stop with there endless bickering

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Voting closed: October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PM

Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 107803 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2022, 02:26:02 PM »
How many of you acknowledge that this could also impact frum people in a negative way? Sometimes a miscarriage requires a procedure that is considered an abortion, nobody wants that to be illegal. We also don't want a debate between a rov who says halachicly the doctor should terminate vs the secular law that says its a crime. Other scenarios can be relevant too, even if not common
I don't think any states are trying to or intend to ban a D&E on a fetus without a heartbeat.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2022, 02:39:52 PM »
Sometimes a miscarriage requires a procedure that is considered an abortion, nobody wants that to be illegal.

Huh? While the technical method may be the same, it is in no way considered an abortion and no state is (or would) try to forbid it.

We also don't want a debate between a rov who says halachicly the doctor should terminate vs the secular law that says its a crime.

This is a more likely scenario, and we should certainly advocate for laws that allow such abortions.

The issue will be that any law that allows for abortions in the case of threat to the health of the mother will inevitably be abused by doctors who think all abortion should be allowed (kind of like medical marijuana laws were).

This is going to cause states to clearly define what is considered a threat to the life of a mother and presumably in a way that conflicts with halacha.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2022, 02:47:27 PM »
SCOTUS is not criminalizing abortion.

SCOTUS is clearing the path for states to do so. Many red states already have legislation on file to vote on after Roe is gone

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2022, 02:54:07 PM »
SCOTUS is clearing the path for states to do so. Many red states already have legislation on file to vote on after Roe is gone

How many of those laws prohibit medically necessary abortions? Are you speaking from a place of knowledge, or just hypothetical about where it can go from here?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #65 on: May 03, 2022, 03:18:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/yarbro/status/1521306133645955072

https://twitter.com/ositanwanevu/status/1521294880600956928

‘The right stayed the same’
The right has a long history of appointing justices who end up voting center or even left. Even today we still have Roberts as Chief Justice, and until recently we had Kennedy.

I don't recall anyone ever complaining that a D appointed justice voted too far to the right, probably because the Ds appoint justices based on politics. R appointed justices don't have any track record of voting based on the right's position, so please don't conflate how R appointed justices vote with the position of the right.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #66 on: May 03, 2022, 03:27:17 PM »
https://twitter.com/yarbro/status/1521306133645955072

‘The right stayed the same’

In Casey there was a majority that seemed to believe that Roe was wrongly decided. The controlling plurality decision was based on stare decisis, not an endorsement of the legal theory.

Also, this leaves out any mention of who controlled the senate when those "Republican appointed justices" were confirmed.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #68 on: May 03, 2022, 03:46:14 PM »

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1521295184973205505
The US is not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic. The majority don't get to do whatever they want.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2022, 03:57:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/clairecmc/status/1521557743341125633
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2022, 03:58:33 PM »
The US is not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic. The majority don't get to do whatever they want.
Wrong answer. Democracy is for the legislative branch to make the call. That is all overturning does.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2022, 04:03:20 PM »
Suddenly the same thing from all the people very afraid for every covid fatality, and opposed life going back to normal. They were so busy about every single life.

Depends what life.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #73 on: May 03, 2022, 04:06:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/emilybell/status/1521450341983739904

Talk about intellectual dishonesty... He shows that there was no common law right to abortion, as if there was there would be reason to say that the constitution protects that tight.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2022, 04:10:45 PM »
Talk about intellectual dishonesty... He shows that there was no common law right to abortion, as if there was there would be reason to say that the constitution protects that tight.
Don't expect intellectual honesty from either side of the abortion debate
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2022, 04:31:05 PM »
How many of those laws prohibit medically necessary abortions? Are you speaking from a place of knowledge, or just hypothetical about where it can go from here?

Hypothetical. Sorry if that was unclear. Also, not a lawyer

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2022, 04:48:34 PM »
What is the issue with allowing someone to do something of they so wish but then requiring them to abide by the consequences of that voluntary action?
it’s a culture issue. If woman are expected to have relations outside marriage in order to be in a relationship but don’t have the security of having a partner to help bring up the child that is a problem ( and birth control does not always work and is also just pushing off the problem, of having more deeply committed relationships).

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2022, 05:11:28 PM »
Suddenly the same thing from all the people very afraid for every covid fatality, and opposed life going back to normal. They were so busy about every single life.

Depends what life.
Lol, the opposite is true for the other side, no?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2022, 05:35:41 PM »
for crying out loud don't sleep around and don't get yourself pregnant! - to most of abortions.

There are organizations that will adopt your child so they wont need to suffer, and for early pregnancy there is plan b or abortions before 40 days - to all other cases of involuntary and unhealthy pregnancies.

why all the outcry from all these young girls with Elizabeth warren? they want to be able to get pregnant and abort instead of being responsible young adults?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2022, 05:38:32 PM »
for crying out loud don't sleep around and don't get yourself pregnant! - to most of abortions.

There are organizations that will adopt your child so they wont need to suffer, and for early pregnancy there is plan b or abortions before 40 days - to all other cases of involuntary and unhealthy pregnancies.

why all the outcry from all these young girls with Elizabeth warren? they want to be able to get pregnant and abort instead of being responsible young adults?
You are using your brain, not your heart. That is going against liberal society.