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Voting closed: October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PM

Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 110662 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1140 on: August 01, 2022, 04:16:22 PM »
So they feel it is morally right to choose the mother over the baby if that situation arises?
Obviously. Everyone besides the Catholic Church believes that apparently.
I am trying to understand what morals you are using.
Jewish morals.
If most of the country felt the morally right thing to do was let the women decide, would you be ok with that?
Hell no!
But from a legislative standpoint it’s within their constitutional rights to decide that as per DOBBS. I’d have to donate more money to Chabad to spread the light of the seven nohadite laws I suppose.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1141 on: August 01, 2022, 04:29:27 PM »
I am trying to understand what morals you are using.
I want to know what morals she’s using:
Yes.  Remember, I thought Roe should have remained in place, so I'm ignoring the aborted feti.  I would prioritize the lives of women alive today, and am concerned about any increase in maternal deaths resulting from the criminalization of abortion.  I would see one death as being too many, 168 is unfathomable.
I didn't say that, and I don't see that kind of comparison as meaningful.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1142 on: August 01, 2022, 04:42:09 PM »
Obviously. Everyone besides the Catholic Church believes that apparently.
IMHO that is not correct. Many have a hard time justifying one life over another.
Jewish morals.
Hate to break it to you but don't hold your breath thinking that is what SCOTUS will use.  ;)
...seven nohadite laws I suppose.
Going to have to brush up on them. I don't remember the one on not to murder except if the mother's life is in danger.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1143 on: August 01, 2022, 04:54:39 PM »
IMHO that is not correct. Many have a hard time justifying one life over another.
Apparently not Texas. Or any state in this union. Not now, not in the 200 years of anti abortion law before RVW, and about  zero chance of that changing.
Hate to break it to you but don't hold your breath thinking that is what SCOTUS will use.  ;)
you can agree that if this court didn’t do it, the chances of that happening is roughly equal to your hat tips ;)

Going to have to brush up on them. I don't remember the one on not to murder except if the mother's life is in danger.
Fair enough. Brush up on those and get back to us ;)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1144 on: August 01, 2022, 05:06:48 PM »
Apparently not Texas. Or any state in this union. Not now, not in the 200 years of anti abortion law before RVW, and about  zero chance of that changing.
I would not assume because that exception is there that everyone agrees with it. Just as I don't assume that all Catholics agree with the position of the church.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1145 on: August 01, 2022, 09:03:52 PM »
I don't think this is true but it will need collaboration between Psychologist and OB. For example, in the video posted somewhere upthread, Rabbi Forst said there was a case where the (frum) Dr said she will commit suicide if forced to keep the pregnancy. An OB who does an abortion based on the recommendation of a Psychologist who says it's necessary would be protected (unless the law specifically excludes mental health).
I agree in theory that it can be done. But it’s harder to prove this bar
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“Reasonable medical judgment",  a medical judgment, based upon the facts known to the physician at the time, that would be made by a reasonably prudent physician who is knowledgeable about the treatment possibilities concerning the medical conditions involved.”
in regard to mental health.
So I sympathize with the complaint that protection for doctors to that regard isn’t spelled out clear enough in this bill.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1148 on: August 02, 2022, 04:51:05 PM »
Of course not.
Hasn't there been over 60mm babies murdered?
The right believes abortion is murder, no?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1149 on: August 02, 2022, 04:54:25 PM »
Hasn't there been over 60mm babies murdered?
The right believes abortion is murder, no?
Not on the same level as murdering already-been-born people. By most accounts. The fellows who completely equate it are the ones who have difficulty differentiating.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1151 on: August 02, 2022, 04:59:04 PM »
This is from 2017, why did the Forward dig it up now?
The forward is going backwards?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1153 on: August 02, 2022, 05:12:27 PM »
Not on the same level as murdering already-been-born people. By most accounts. The fellows who completely equate it are the ones who have difficulty differentiating.
One side claims it is a human life. They claim it is murder. If they truly believe that then abortion is the worst atrocity we have ever seen. My point is to show they don't really believe that, but it serves their purpose to say it anyway.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1154 on: August 02, 2022, 05:13:50 PM »
One side claims it is a human life. They claim it is murder. If they truly believe that then abortion is the worst atrocity we have ever seen. My point is to show they don't really believe that, but it serves their purpose to say it anyway.
Why can’t people believe it’s murder but not on the same level?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1155 on: August 02, 2022, 05:15:41 PM »
Does that explain the pope’s inaction during the Holocaust? He was like this is nothing compared to our abortion issues…
Which Pope? Maybe we can compare the Pope to the Jewish leaders who not only stood by put praised Putin during his current murderous run. You really want to play this game?  ;)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1156 on: August 02, 2022, 05:16:59 PM »
Why can’t people believe it’s murder but not on the same level?
You lost me there. You mean like hanging someone or lethal injection is not on the same level? I am truly confused and not being funny.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1157 on: August 02, 2022, 05:17:25 PM »
Which Pope? Maybe we can compare the Pope to the Jewish leaders who not only stood by put praised Putin during his current murderous run. You really want to play this game?  ;)
Yes yes. And the Jewish leader in Iran only has good to say about the Ayatollah. Who you fooling?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1159 on: August 02, 2022, 05:19:37 PM »
Which Pope? Maybe we can compare the Pope to the Jewish leaders who not only stood by put praised Putin during his current murderous run. You really want to play this game?  ;)
You mean the one who escaped permanently afraid for his life?
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