Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade

[imayid2]

...but she was ok with a child with disabilities? You are not being levelheaded.

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Please elaborate.

[imayid2]

I saw an interesting story where a woman’s water broke in her 20th week and Rav Ovadia Yosef did not allow her to abort.
Another story with a woman who’s water broke in her 15th week, and after clarifying with the doctor if she can wait a bit, he advised her to wait.

That case is the same as this one for all practical purposes.
The author writes in the footnotes the following:

We see here the difference between the way Halacha looks at a situation and the way a doctor looks at it. From an Halachik perspective a woman that loses her amniotic fluid, even if her chances of saving her pregnancy are one in many hundreds, we are required to try and protect the life of the fetus... On the other hand, in the view of the doctor, he says, this woman is suffering, she's going to have to be under constant watch because there is a danger to her life, and the odds are one in a thousand. He comes to a conclusion that it's not worth the effort because hope is so slim.
The doctor is wrong. We are talking about a life, and even if only one in a thousand there is an obligation to try.

Rabbi Yosef was far from a hard liner on abortion!

[biobook]

This woman wanted to develop an infection so that she can abort and not have to deal with this situation.

You remind me of another concern that has been expressed in post-Roe times, which is that women who have a natural miscarriage could be accused by some especially aggressive and suspicious DA of having intentionally caused the miscarriage. 

Sometimes a woman has a serious accident, such as falling down a flight of stairs, and the trauma induces a miscarriage.  There's been at least one case where this happened and the woman was subsequently arrested and accused of intentionally falling down the stairs because she wanted to abort.

[CountValentine]

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Please elaborate.

"We skipped over the genetic testing offered in the first trimester," Elizabeth says. "I was born with a physical disability. If she had any physical ailments, I would never abort her for that issue."

[imayid2]

"We skipped over the genetic testing offered in the first trimester," Elizabeth says. "I was born with a physical disability. If she had any physical ailments, I would never abort her for that issue."

Who’s not levelheaded? Me or Elizabeth?

To Elizabeth, termination also felt like the most merciful option for her fetus. Even with the slim chance of survival to 24 weeks, the newborn would face intense physical challenges and aggressive medical interventions.

[imayid2]

You remind me of another concern that has been expressed in post-Roe times, which is that women who have a natural miscarriage could be accused by some especially aggressive and suspicious DA of having intentionally caused the miscarriage. 

Sometimes a woman has a serious accident, such as falling down a flight of stairs, and the trauma induces a miscarriage.  There's been at least one case where this happened and the woman was subsequently arrested and accused of intentionally falling down the stairs because she wanted to abort.

What about the women that suffer from being wrongfully accused of harming their children? There have even been people wrongfully executed because of that!
Should infanticide be legal?

[CountValentine]

Who’s not levelheaded? Me or Elizabeth?

One is a quote, and one is not. Let's be fair here.
If you read the article she is not for abortion and would not abort even if she knew her child would have a disability (in her words). You are letting your views distort hers.

[biobook]

I saw an interesting story where a woman’s water broke in her 20th week and Rav Ovadia Yosef did not allow her to abort.
Another story with a woman who’s water broke in her 15th week, and after clarifying with the doctor if she can wait a bit, he advised her to wait.

That case is the same as this one for all practical purposes.
The author writes in the footnotes the following:Rabbi Yosef was far from a hard liner on abortion!

There's even less medical information in this than in the news article!  I wouldn't say it's the same thing at all.  This woman had 3 leaks, so perhaps these were small and were able to reseal and she retained a lot of the fluid.   The other one had one huge gush in which virtually all the fluid was lost. Also we have no information on what the doctor saw with the ultrasound in either case.

[imayid2]

One is a quote, and one is not. Let's be fair here.
If you read the article she is not for abortion and would not abort even if she knew her child would have a disability. You are letting your views distort hers.

Lol. So you’re attacking me for believing what the article says her view in this case is. No problem if it’s not accurate, I retract the part of what I said.

[CountValentine]

Lol. So you’re attacking me for believing what the article says her view in this case is. No problem if it’s not accurate, I retract the part of what I said.

I am not attacking you. Just defending her. Her views are clear from several of her direct quotes.

[imayid2]

There's even less medical information in this than in the news article!  I wouldn't say it's the same thing at all.  This woman had 3 leaks, so perhaps these were small and were able to reseal and she retained a lot of the fluid.   The other one had one huge gush in which virtually all the fluid was lost. Also we have no information on what the doctor saw with the ultrasound in either case.

Without more medical details, I see no reason to think that a Halachik compliant woman would have a different outcome in this case.

[imayid2]

I am not attacking you. Just defending her. Her views are clear from several of her direct quotes.

No problem. I completely disagree with her decision not to go under expectant care.

[biobook]

What about the women that suffer from being wrongfully accused of harming their children? There have even been people wrongfully executed because of that!

I agree, that's awful. In fact, I was reminded of that when I read your (shocking) accusation:

This woman wanted to develop an infection so that she can abort and not have to deal with this situation.

Should infanticide be legal?

No one in America supports that.  Why would you ask?

[imayid2]

No one in America supports that.  Why would you ask?

Because you sounded like you thought it was a reason abortion should be legal.

[CountValentine]

WOW!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kansas-voters-protect-abortion-rights-block-path-to-ban/ar-AA10fdlo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=82bdcf37afd545849ca1c78a4b1c3e77

[imayid2]

WOW!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kansas-voters-protect-abortion-rights-block-path-to-ban/ar-AA10fdlo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=82bdcf37afd545849ca1c78a4b1c3e77

Tragic.

[CountValentine]

Tragic.

I guess you don't approve of their morals? 

[imayid2]

I guess you don't approve of their morals? 

No sir. Not enough Chabad there apparently.

[CountValentine]

No sir. Not enough Chabad there apparently.

According to the turnout there isn't enough in the whole country that could have made a difference.

[WAM]

if this court didn’t do it, the chances of that happening is roughly equal to your hat tips

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