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Should @countvalentine and @imayid2 stop with there endless bickering

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Voting closed: October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PM

Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 136222 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1701 on: October 14, 2022, 02:00:28 PM »
What is the whole fixation over when life begins anyhow?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1702 on: October 14, 2022, 02:03:23 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/does-life-begin-different-religions-213918857.html

This is a total distortion

"Judaism and Islam:  Protecting life of the mother

For many Jewish leaders, Christian biblical interpretations of when life begins are problematic.

In part, this is because Christians often cite Psalms as proof. Whereas in Judaism, Psalms is a book of poetry.

Jewish laws are derived from the first five books of the Hebrew Bible; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. According to Genesis 2:7, life begins at the first breath, when "God breathed breath into him." As such, terminating a pregnancy is not a crime because fetuses do not have souls."
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1703 on: October 14, 2022, 02:03:52 PM »
What is the whole fixation over when life begins anyhow?
That is a major part of the Jewish women's lawsuit that started this round.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1704 on: October 14, 2022, 02:06:13 PM »
This is a total distortion
Feel free to correct the distortion.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1705 on: October 14, 2022, 02:11:18 PM »
Feel free to correct the distortion.

Psalms absolutely has halachic relevance and is not only a book of poetry. Also, terminating a pregnancy is a crime unless there are various overriding factors.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1706 on: October 14, 2022, 02:21:37 PM »
That is a major part of the Jewish women's lawsuit that started this round.

They can call it what they want, but the women's lawsuit calling for abortion on demand has nothing to do with Judaism.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1707 on: October 14, 2022, 03:11:48 PM »
They can call it what they want, but the women's lawsuit calling for abortion on demand has nothing to do with Judaism.
Not sure if their suit wants abortion on demand.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1708 on: October 14, 2022, 03:14:13 PM »
Also, terminating a pregnancy is a crime unless there are various overriding factors.
Some might call it a crime and others might not. Either way it is still an abortion which the overwhelming on one side call it murder.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1709 on: October 14, 2022, 03:23:33 PM »
Not sure if their suit wants abortion on demand.
They definitely  bring in support for "reproductive rights" according to the article. I didn't look further into the case.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1710 on: October 14, 2022, 03:26:55 PM »
Some might call it a crime and others might not. Either way it is still an abortion which the overwhelming on one side call it murder.
I am referring to what Judaism calls it. The Halachic term for murder is retzicha and it does go into that category, but the name is not really relevant.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1711 on: October 14, 2022, 03:37:25 PM »
I am referring to what Judaism calls it. The Halachic term for murder is retzicha and it does go into that category, but the name is not really relevant.
Trying to leave religion out of it.  ;)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1712 on: October 14, 2022, 03:43:11 PM »
Trying to leave religion out of it.  ;)
How can you leave religion out of a discussion about their claim of religious liberty?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1713 on: October 14, 2022, 03:44:35 PM »
How can you leave religion out of a discussion about their claim of religious liberty?
I don't know anything about their religion.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1714 on: October 14, 2022, 03:47:43 PM »
I don't know anything about their religion.
I don't either but I do know about Judaism
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1715 on: October 14, 2022, 04:09:27 PM »
You keep with your pretzels. 99.99% can answer when HUMAN life begins.
Again, I am not asking for your religious views.
You are asking for personal views unrelated to what Iíve been commenting about? But you consistently refused to answer any questions about you own.
Can you get any more intellectually dishonest? Yes or no? :)
(Excuse my coarse insult. I try to avoid this type of rhetoric in general but couldnít resist in this context  :D)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1716 on: October 14, 2022, 04:24:21 PM »
You are asking for personal views unrelated to what Iíve been commenting about? But you consistently refused to answer any questions about you own.
Can you get any more intellectually dishonest? Yes or no? :)
(Excuse my coarse insult. I try to avoid this type of rhetoric in general but couldnít resist in this context  :D)
You dug a hole and want me to bail you out? I don't think so.
My personal views are pointless because I don't put them on others.
If you don't want to answer questions then don't make comments like abortion is murder.
Then go on to say that murder is allowed in certain situations.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1717 on: October 14, 2022, 04:28:15 PM »
My personal views are pointless because I don't put them on others.
Can you explain how explaining my religions view equals forcing my view on others?
If you don't want to answer questions then don't make comments like abortion is murder.
Then go on to say that murder is allowed in certain situations.
Why not? In my religion murder is allowed in certain circumstances.
Talk about projecting views on others!

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1718 on: October 14, 2022, 04:30:08 PM »


In my religion murder is allowed in certain circumstances.

This isn't worded well

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1719 on: October 14, 2022, 04:33:00 PM »
This isn't worded well
It is true. An unwitting pursuer is allowed to be killed. Even an innocent child.
How would you word it? You donít like the word murder and would rather ďkilledĒ?