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Should @countvalentine and @imayid2 stop with there endless bickering

Please yes!
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Voting closed: October 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PM

Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 124066 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1740 on: October 14, 2022, 05:09:12 PM »
Don’t you understand words? Sheesh. No it means killing is allowed under certain circumstances.
So murder has evolved into killing after a member pointed it out you and it is me who doesn't understand words.  :)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1741 on: October 14, 2022, 05:10:36 PM »
I told you so many times. From a purely rationalistic view I take no position on that. From my religions view it is a form of murder.
Isn't your view and your religious view one in the same?
ETA: In case you don't understand that question then where does your view and your religious view differ on abortion?  :)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1742 on: October 14, 2022, 05:16:07 PM »
Isn't your view and your religious view one in the same?
Yes. Because that is the truth. The Creator should have a voice in this no? But from a philosophical/rationale standpoint I wouldn’t necessarily be convinced of this.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1743 on: October 14, 2022, 05:16:48 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1744 on: October 14, 2022, 05:18:23 PM »
I did see that the focus was their case of IVF, but they seem to make claims that Judaism allows on demand according to the article.
There's a third situation where there might be a conflict, which is at about 6-7 months when certain severe fetal defects become evident, and some women choose to abort the fetus then, rather than continue to carry a nonviable fetus.  They did mention that, but I ignored it because it's not unique to IVF and we discussed that earlier. 

From synagogue affiliation, one of the women is reform, one conservative, one IDK, so their claims about Judaism may not be identical to those of Orthodox Judaism.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1745 on: October 14, 2022, 05:18:51 PM »
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1746 on: October 14, 2022, 05:19:54 PM »
ETA: In case you don't understand that question then where does your view and your religious view differ on abortion?  :)
They do not differ.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1747 on: October 14, 2022, 05:20:32 PM »
Yes.
So that was your choice. So why not just post your views instead of throwing your religion under the bus?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1748 on: October 14, 2022, 05:21:38 PM »
So that was your choice. So why not just post your views instead of throwing your religion under the bus?
I have idea what you mean. Is the bus also a backup?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1749 on: October 14, 2022, 05:23:45 PM »
The Creator should have a voice in this no?
Say what? The Creator knows what is going to happen before it happens. If the Creator chooses to change anything, we have no say in the matter.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1750 on: October 14, 2022, 05:24:52 PM »




From synagogue affiliation, one of the women is reform, one conservative, one IDK, so their claims about Judaism may not be identical to those of Orthodox Judaism.

This was basically my point.

I don't know anything about their religion.



I don't either but I do know about Judaism

I agree that there are concerns with some initial proposals  restricting abortion
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1751 on: October 14, 2022, 05:24:59 PM »
Say what? The Creator knows what is going to happen before it happens. If the Creator chooses to change anything, we have no say in the matter.
Are you imposing your religion on others again?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1752 on: October 14, 2022, 05:29:15 PM »
I have idea what you mean.
I ask anything, and your response is Judaism says...
That is deflecting to the religious view instead of your view. That is throwing Judaism under the bus since you don't want to own the response as your own.
Is the bus also a backup?
After you threw them under the bus, I have seen you backup and run over them again.  :P
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1753 on: October 14, 2022, 05:31:33 PM »
Are you imposing your religion on others again?
I think this is the position of the major religions but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
If that is not their position, then they should ignore what I have said as it does not pertain to them.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1754 on: October 14, 2022, 05:44:08 PM »

I agree that there are concerns with some initial proposals  restricting abortion
Yeah, I quoted you, but actually (naively) imagined that my post might answer CV's original question and shock them out of the loop, but looks like we have to wait for shkia for that.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1755 on: October 14, 2022, 05:53:23 PM »
...that my post might answer CV's original question...
In reality I have no questions. I am just having fun seeing how deep I can get @imayid2 to dig that hole he is in.  ;)
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1756 on: October 14, 2022, 05:54:30 PM »
In reality I have no questions. I am just having fun seeing how deep I can get @imayid2 to dig that hole he is in.  ;)
Aka nothing substantial to say.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1757 on: October 14, 2022, 05:55:18 PM »
I think this is the position of the major religions but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
If that is not their position, then they should ignore what I have said as it does not pertain to them.
Judaism is a major religion. So you are wrong.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1758 on: October 14, 2022, 05:59:06 PM »
Judaism is a major religion. So you are wrong.
Yes it is a major religion so show me where I went wrong.
Lets take it one at a time. Your creator does not know what is going to happen before it happens?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1759 on: October 14, 2022, 06:01:59 PM »
Yes it is a major religion so show me where I went wrong.
Lets take it one at a time. Your creator does not know what is going to happen before it happens?
We are out of time. Next Friday :)