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Author Topic: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade  (Read 124123 times)

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1840 on: November 10, 2022, 06:12:28 PM »
No I didn't beat my wife today.

You did beat a dead horse though
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1841 on: November 10, 2022, 06:25:06 PM »
You did beat a dead horse though
I just beat Wheel-of-Fortune!!!  :P
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1842 on: November 12, 2022, 11:14:44 PM »
The right needs to wake up and see what is happening. RvW is no longer about pro-choice but pro-democracy/pro-freedom. A right was taken away.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1843 on: November 12, 2022, 11:15:37 PM »
The right needs to wake up and see what is happening. RvW is no longer about pro-choice but pro-democracy/pro-freedom. A right was taken away.
There is no *right* to kill.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1844 on: November 12, 2022, 11:17:34 PM »
There is no *right* to kill.
Whatever. This is how it's viewed

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1845 on: November 12, 2022, 11:19:47 PM »
Whatever. This is how it's viewed
Some just don't understand that.
When a right you had for 50 years is taken away it now becomes a fight for democracy and freedom. The R's are now on the wrong side of that fight.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1846 on: November 13, 2022, 08:35:56 AM »
For political expediency it would be wise for republicans to commit to not interfere with some pre dobb protections on the federal level and leave them to individual states to decide. This would take off some of the focus on the issue for Senate and House candidates.

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1847 on: November 13, 2022, 09:29:36 AM »
For political expediency it would be wise for republicans to commit to not interfere with some pre dobb protections on the federal level and leave them to individual states to decide. This would take off some of the focus on the issue for Senate and House candidates.
Pointless. It will then play into the Dem get out the vote tactic of getting abortion into the ballot in some manner each election.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1848 on: November 13, 2022, 10:38:16 AM »
It will then play into the Dem get out the vote tactic of getting abortion into the ballot in some manner each election.
Federal or state elections?

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1849 on: November 13, 2022, 11:01:20 AM »
Federal or state elections?
All elections. This is about freedom!!!
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1850 on: November 13, 2022, 12:58:32 PM »
Federal or state elections?
You get them out for a state they vote for federal too.
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1851 on: November 20, 2022, 03:11:25 PM »
So they wanted a different version of RvW?
I don’t understand what you mean. They contended abortion wasn’t a fundamental right under 14A, but could at qualifying times meet 1A criteria. It’s a world of a difference.

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SUMMARY OF ARGUMENT
Like the court below, Agudath Israel of America believes that the Missouri legislature exceeded its constitutional authority in finding that human life begins at conception. We arrive at this conclusion, however, by a totally different route.

I. In our view, Roe v. Wade was decided incorrectly and should be overruled. In most cases, where the constitutional source of the claimed right to abortion is the due process right of privacy developed in Roe, 410 U.S. at 152-53, the right to abortion should not be accorded the status of a "fundamental" right. Accordingly, a legislative measure designed to restrict or prohibit abortion should generally be upheld even in the absence of any "compelling" state interest for the measure, so long as there is a rational basis for the legislation.

II. There are times, though, when a woman's claimed right to an abortion may be grounded not only in her due process right of privacy, but also in her First Amendment right freely to exercise her religion. In such cases, access to abortion is indeed a right that is "fundamental."
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1852 on: November 20, 2022, 03:17:12 PM »
I don’t understand what you mean. They contended abortion wasn’t a fundamental right under 14A, but could at qualifying times meet 1A criteria. It’s a world of a difference.
It was a right for 50+ years. It was settled law.

What I mean is they want RvW overturned but want abortions to be legal under some circumstances.
Haven't we been through this 100 times?
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1853 on: November 20, 2022, 03:19:00 PM »
It was a right for 50+ years. It was settled law.

What I mean is they want RvW overturned but want abortions to be legal under some circumstances.
Haven't we been through this 100 times?
Not sure why you’re calling it a different version of RvW

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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1854 on: November 20, 2022, 03:21:00 PM »
Not sure why you’re calling it a different version of RvW
RvW allowed abortion up to a certain point. They want abortions allowed according to their reasoning. Under both abortions are allowed. Same but different!!!
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1855 on: December 11, 2022, 09:27:45 PM »
Yahoo News: SCOTUS whistleblower admits incident in his book 'possibly' did not happen, then Jordan proves it didn't.
https://news.yahoo.com/scotus-whistleblower-admits-incident-book-195205546.html
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
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Re: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v Wade
« Reply #1858 on: June 23, 2023, 09:45:59 AM »
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/dobbs-turns-one/

One year ago tomorrow, the U.S. Supreme Court corrected its most grievous error of the 20th century.

For nearly five decades, the Court had forced states to abide by Roe v. Wade’s outrageous and obvious lie that the U.S. Constitution forbids almost any law that protects human beings from lethal violence in the womb. On June 24, 2022, the Dobbs majority got it right when it told the truth about Roe and restored the right of the American people and their duly elected representatives to protect the lives of all people.

The first birthday of Dobbs is something to celebrate not only because it ended Roe’s grotesque distortion of our Constitution but also because the laws that have taken effect after Dobbs have very likely already saved tens of thousands of human lives.

Analysts will debate the precise number of lives saved by post-Dobbs laws, and it is true that even the best estimates amount to a small decrease in the percentage of all abortions committed annually. But what shouldn’t be lost in any statistical discussion is that we are talking about unique human beings endowed by their creator with the unalienable right to life. Each life deliberately destroyed is an incalculable loss. Each life saved is priceless.

Elective abortion remains the most far-reaching human-rights abuse of our time, but there has been moral progress over the last year. Twenty-three states now have laws to protect the lives of unborn children at six weeks of pregnancy, when a baby’s heartbeat is detectable, or earlier, but several of these laws are being held up in state court. Two states, North Carolina and Nebraska, recently limited elective abortion to the first twelve weeks of pregnancy. Those twelve-week limits were the most protective laws each legislature could pass, owing to a supermajority consensus needed for enactment, and pro-life legislators prudently acted on the belief that it was better to save some lives than none.

Most blue states, however, continue either explicitly or effectively to allow abortion throughout all nine months of pregnancy, for any reason. A new “all trimester” abortion clinic opened in Maryland in 2022. The Atlantic recently profiled Warren Hern, a late-term abortionist in Colorado who makes a living by killing premature infants in the womb “who are 22, 25, even 30 weeks along.” Most of the time, Hern admitted, the viable babies he stabs in the heart with a poison-filled syringe are physically healthy, and so are their mothers. He even admitted that he once performed an abortion simply because the baby was a girl.

The greatest threat to pro-life progress now comes from congressional Democrats, who almost unanimously seek to impose Colorado’s policy of elective abortion throughout all nine months of pregnancy in all 50 states. Every congressional Democrat except one in the House and one in the Senate has voted for a federal abortion bill that would create a national right to abort a baby until birth whenever a midwife, nurse, or doctor asserts that the continuation of the pregnancy poses a risk to the pregnant woman’s mental or emotional health. That same abortion bill, the deceptively named Women’s Health Protection Act, guts conscience laws that protect health-care workers, strikes down parental-consent abortion laws, and even protects sex-selective abortion. Senate Democrats are just a seat away from having the votes to abolish the filibuster, pass their radical abortion bill, and provide unlimited taxpayer funding of elective abortion — a policy that would cause tens of thousands more abortions to be performed each year.

To protect the pro-life progress made over the past year, pro-life voters would be wise to back a presidential nominee who helps rather than hurts Republicans down-ballot — a presidential candidate who wouldn’t likely spark a backlash that hands Democrats unified control of government in 2024 or 2028.

Pro-life elected officials themselves have much work to do. They need to explain to voters the extremist Democratic agenda on abortion. They need to recognize when prudent legislative compromises are necessary. And they must ensure that all hospitals act on the proper understanding that every pro-life law protects the life of the mother and no abortion law requires waiting to intervene until a mother’s condition becomes dire.

When pro-life Americans look at real but tenuous gains achieved over the past year and the daunting task ahead of them, their mood might be less than celebratory. But on the first anniversary of Dobbs, it is worth taking a moment to be thankful for the tens of thousands of human beings who will get to see their own first birthday, and many more, because of it.