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https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2022/05/13/lufthansa-denies-boarding-to-more-than-100-jewish-passengers
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1040 on: May 13, 2022, 10:09:09 AM »
Now that the story has gotten the coverage it has, I'm also not sure what value there is in keeping at it, but I'm curious to hear your reasoning.

There is another angle I'm interested in aside from the actual story, coverage by Jewish media. The "mainstream" Jewish outlets did not cover the story until Dan posted the video. Despite numerous pictures and stories going around the frum hack sites, like YWN, and all over Whatsapp, none of them did any digging into the story. They've covered stories that were born of frum sites and social media before, but this one was dismissed. Without any reason provided, I can only make assumptions, and that is because it was "whiny Chassidim not following rules and then complaining when they suffer consequences."

Most stories are not worthy of MSM coverage. This one was. But the way MSM finds out is when it gets reported by the smaller outlets. How the smaller outlets frame the story will go a long way in how the story gets framed. So long as Chassidim and frum Jews are viewed as petulant children, our stories will be portrayed as such to the world. Yes, we have to behave in accordance with how Torah wants us to, with derech eretz, respect for others, vechulu veda"l. But it's not up to the journalists to generalize and stereotype us based on the (mis)behavior of some, and we should be reported on and treated with respect and dignity.

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1041 on: May 13, 2022, 10:09:55 AM »
Nice that Dan had the time to hop on to one of Rabbi Teldon's Zooms

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1042 on: May 13, 2022, 10:31:27 AM »
Nice that Dan had the time to hop on to one of Rabbi Teldon's Zooms

https://twitter.com/AlamoRabbi/status/1525104155265839109

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« Reply #1043 on: May 13, 2022, 10:38:52 AM »
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1044 on: May 13, 2022, 11:12:10 AM »
The guy running for Lakewood's Congressman is pandering to the Jewish community using this story. See more on him here and here

https://twitter.com/mikecrispinj/status/1524848465574088705

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1045 on: May 13, 2022, 11:21:23 AM »
The guy running for Lakewood's Congressman is pandering to the Jewish community using this story. See more on him here and here

https://twitter.com/mikecrispinj/status/1524848465574088705
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1046 on: May 13, 2022, 11:21:36 AM »
The guy running for Lakewood's Congressman is pandering to the Jewish community using this story. See more on him here and here

https://twitter.com/mikecrispinj/status/1524848465574088705
Ironically, only the left (NYT/WaPo/CNN) cared about this story enough to properly report on it.
The right didn't give a hoot. Radio silence from WSJ/Fox and Newsmax brought on Savage as their expert.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1047 on: May 13, 2022, 12:09:13 PM »
Wow frum (talk radio listening) jews are rightly more upset right now at savage than LH
https://twitter.com/ChaskelBennett/status/1524412207647408129
https://twitter.com/DBashIdeas/status/1524741508406067200
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1048 on: May 13, 2022, 12:15:30 PM »
Ironically, only the left (NYT/WaPo/CNN) cared about this story enough to properly report on it.
The right didn't give a hoot. Radio silence from WSJ/Fox and Newsmax brought on Savage as their expert.
Fully expected by anyone who is willing to think about it.
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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1050 on: May 13, 2022, 12:30:41 PM »
Wow frum (talk radio listening) jews are rightly more upset right now at savage than LH

Neither I (Squilled), nor Rabbis DBash and Zalmanov are "talk radio listening" types. Neither am I (and I would assume anyone you quoted, though obviously, I can't speak for them) "more outraged" at Savage. He is a moron, but an individual. I wasn't outraged by him in the slightest. What Lufthansa did as a national carrier is a whole other story. I only quoted him to make the point in my second tweet.

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Re: The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt
« Reply #1052 on: May 13, 2022, 04:00:47 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/us-envoy-decries-unbelievable-antisemitism-lufthansa-jews-flight-rcna28763

Excellent video.

The media can’t and won’t pressure LH anymore because the news cycle has moved on to other things. At this point the government-type entities and NGOs have more clout in pushing for accountability and policies that ensure this never happens again.
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« Reply #1053 on: May 13, 2022, 04:01:19 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/us-envoy-decries-unbelievable-antisemitism-lufthansa-jews-flight-rcna28763

Excellent video.
Great stuff. Also underlines just how singularly important your article and the accompanying video was in making this real.

When I first heard the story, I was skeptical as well.
Is this actually true? Source?
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« Reply #1054 on: May 13, 2022, 04:01:29 PM »
At this point the government-type entities and NGOs have more clout in pushing for accountability and policies that ensure this never happens again.
Good. Then my job is done.
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« Reply #1055 on: May 13, 2022, 04:02:39 PM »
Good. Then my job is done.

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« Reply #1056 on: May 13, 2022, 04:03:12 PM »
Great stuff. Also underlines just how singularly important your article and the accompanying video was in making this real.

When I first heard the story, I was skeptical as well.
I was digging for a good amount of time, trying to find a person paged to board and then denied that was rumored to exist, and trying to find a video that was rumored to exist.
My jaw hit the floor when I saw the video, it was so much more damning and confirming of the story than I could have imagined.
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« Reply #1057 on: May 13, 2022, 04:03:38 PM »
Congressman Chris Smith, who represents Lakewood, would be willing to take this to the next level IMO, but he probably won't get involved unless he gets a call from a constituent that was on the flight. There were a number of Lakewood residents on board, as per my understanding, and if one of them wants to make the phone call, I think you can really stir this up. Or they can ask Dan to contact him on their behalf.

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« Reply #1058 on: May 13, 2022, 04:04:17 PM »
Congressman Chris Smith, who represents Lakewood, would be willing to take this to the next level IMO, but he probably won't get involved unless he gets a call from a constituent that was on the flight. There were a number of Lakewood residents on board, as per my understanding, and if one of them wants to make the phone call, I think you can really stir this up. Or they can ask Dan to contact him on their behalf.
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