The Lufthansa Anti-Semitism Fiasco In Frankfurt

[EliJelly]

From the amount of comments on DDMS claiming they experienced the same exact issue, along with their nasty incident a few years ago and egregious coverup, it certainly seems likely that LH suffers from a systemic “culture” issue, and it’s nowhere close to an anomaly.

Hard to opine on whether it's a systemic culture issue based on just sporadic incidents that occurred out of numerous flights flown daily by visible Jews, chassidim in particular. LH is the default carrier by most European mekomos hakdoshim trip arrangers. I've flown with LH a few times and only had great experiences. That does not say that AS isn't abundantly prevalent in Europe, plus the rigid adhering to rules they expect, which will inevitably be reflected in the attitude of some employees. Perhaps LH can do a better job at curbing that and should be called out and held accountable for their crew's misbehavior, but that hardly earns them a nazi airline title.

[TzviR]

From the amount of comments on DDMS claiming they experienced the same exact issue, along with their nasty incident a few years ago and egregious coverup, it certainly seems likely that LH suffers from a systemic “culture” issue, and it’s nowhere close to an anomaly.

When I flew LH this year I had a carry on, suit bag and backpack and they made me check my carryon. I wasn't happy about it as I didn't check a suitcase because I didn't want to have to wait by baggage claim. That being said I knew that I was above my baggage allowance and BH they let me take out everything I needed before checking it.

Obviously my experince is not comparable to the DDMS story but all the people just kvetching that LH made them check their bag, nu.

The question is if everyone receives this treatment from LH and you would find the same percentage of complaints from goyim.

[shapsam]

When I flew LH this year I had a carry on, suit bag and backpack and they made me check my carryon. I wasn't happy about it as I didn't check a suitcase because I didn't want to have to wait by baggage claim. That being said I knew that I was above my baggage allowance and BH they let me take out everything I needed before checking it.

Obviously my experince is not comparable to the DDMS story but all the people just kvetching that LH made them check their bag, nu.

The question is if everyone receives this treatment from LH and you would find the same percentage of complaints from goyim.

The complaint wasn't that they made someone check their bag, it was that they only made visibly Jewish people check their bag.

[yuneeq]

Hard to opine on whether it's a systemic culture issue based on just sporadic incidents that occurred out of numerous flights flown daily by visible Jews, chassidim in particular. LH is the default carrier by most European mekomos hakdoshim trip arrangers. I've flown with LH a few times and only had great experiences. That does not say that AS isn't abundantly prevalent in Europe, plus the rigid adhering to rules they expect, which will inevitably be reflected in the attitude of some employees. Perhaps LH can do a better job at curbing that and should be called out and held accountable for their crew's misbehavior, but that hardly earns them a nazi airline title.

There are other antisemites in the world, but what earns them the Nazi airline title is this little known fact that they were literally the Nazis airline (even before they were in power) and voluntarily created labor camps and deportations to concentration camps.

To this day they deny their Nazi history because they formed a new legal entity using the same Nazi supporting staff.

A Nazi doesn’t stop being called a Nazi because the war ended. Their kids and grandkids are running the airline, and they still tacitly accept neo-Nazis in their ranks.

The bar really isn’t that high for them to get rid of that moniker, but they’ve repeatedly decided that have no interest in that.

[TzviR]

The complaint wasn't that they made someone check their bag, it was that they only made visibly Jewish people check their bag.

Only or also?

When I was flying Frontier they made all the visibly Jewish people put their bag in the sizer, in addition to everyone else boarding the plane.

It's hard to know in the cases of people who are joining in and complaining if it was really an issue of antisemitism or just making making people with oversize/overweight bags check it.

[yelped]

Having to gate check bags because they're too large or too heavy is a common complaint for Americans flying European airlines. US airlines allow for larger carry on sizes and also don't care about weight for carry ons.

I just flew with a large US carryon on 4 flights with no issues. I made sure to keep the zipper closed to make it smaller (it's one of those that have two sizes).

Previously, I had to gate check this same carryon a few times on Intra-Europe flights. It's not a big deal. They do it to anyone who's carryon looks large.

[shapsam]

Only or also?

When I was flying Frontier they made all the visibly Jewish people put their bag in the sizer, in addition to everyone else boarding the plane.

It's hard to know in the cases of people who are joining in and complaining if it was really an issue of antisemitism or just making making people with oversize/overweight bags check it.

Only

[shapsam]

UPDATE:

https://twitter.com/meyertauber/status/1920878380691419434

[mlardi]

Only

And they were all booked separately, they weren't sitting together, the agents walked up to them and forced them all to check it in.

[shapsam]

And they were all booked separately, they weren't sitting together, the agents walked up to them and forced them all to check it in.

Yes, that is the allegation

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/deja-vu-lufthansa-accused-of-antisemitism-again/

[TzviR]

And they were all booked separately, they weren't sitting together, the agents walked up to them and forced them all to check it in.

Yes, that is the allegation

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/news/airline-news/deja-vu-lufthansa-accused-of-antisemitism-again/

I read the DDMS post and understand that if the events ocured as described this is very bad case of antisemitism. But I wasn't referring to the DDMS post. I was responding to Yunneq who said

From the amount of comments on DDMS claiming they experienced the same exact issue, along with their nasty incident a few years ago and egregious coverup, it certainly seems likely that LH suffers from a systemic “culture” issue, and it’s nowhere close to an anomaly.

As I clearly said in my post

Obviously my experience is not comparable to the DDMS story but all the people just kvetching that LH made them check their bag, nu.

The question is if everyone receives this treatment from LH and you would find the same percentage of complaints from goyim.

[yuneeq]

I read the DDMS post and understand that if the events ocured as described this is very bad case of antisemitism. But I wasn't referring to the DDMS post. I was responding to Yunneq who saidAs I clearly said in my post

Many commenters are saying that they were treated similarly and only Jews were targeted on their flights. I’m pretty inclined to believe that this is a systemic problem.

[Shmueli]

Off topic, but some travelers have success in ripping off the tag on the jet bridge and taking the carry on on board, but in can cause trouble and a chillul hashem if caught.
Last week I was connecting on DL via ATL to FCO, with a separate ticket to TLV. Gate agents insisted I check in my carry on. I said I’m fine collecting it in ATL, but not in FCO as that would require me to go through immigration. They said their policy requires them to check to the final destination (warning to HC travelers). After some negotiation with the gate agent and FA, I was allowed to take it on board.

Be sure to do this only with a gate-checked bag. If they print out a checked bag barcode tag and scan it at the gate, if you then rip off the tag and take it with you on the plane they're gonna have a missing bag under your name. Happened to me on AC. Luckily, I still had the tag in my pocket, and was able to "rip it off my bag" to give to the crew to scan and just played dumb.