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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2022, 11:20:50 AM »
Wow how naive can one be.
I am not naïve at all, I actually have a lot of critic on the government and police regarding Meron but you and others already pointed it out.

However, some of you guys are looking at it only from one perspective. The extremists took over Meron today, and the overcrowding and pushing is back... https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2088561/violence-in-meron-police-lose-control-as-extremists-storm-kever-rashbi-police-shut-mountain-turn-buses-back-videos.html

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2022, 11:24:14 AM »
I was with the police on this until we saw the photos of the Meron tzion as a ghost town and holding up all the busses and people that they themselves organized.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2022, 11:27:46 AM »
It’s impossible to have any law & order when thousands of people are attempting to breach a line.
There’s 2 options for the police:
1) continue to hold the line, ר״ל what that can lead to. Or
2) back off & let everyone storm right in.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2022, 11:30:08 AM »
It’s impossible to have any law & order when thousands of people are attempting to breach a line.
There’s 2 options for the police:
1) continue to hold the line, ר״ל what that can lead to. Or
2) back off & let everyone storm right in.
There was no reason for the line! They tortured people all day. Hours in parking lots with no water with the weather being sunny and 85. Stop making excuses

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2022, 11:36:38 AM »
There was no reason for the line! They tortured people all day. Hours in parking lots with no water with the weather being sunny and 85. Stop making excuses
Tortured, really?
And why can't people bring their own food and water?

Sounds like it was a disorganized mess, but no need for the hyperbole.
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2022, 11:43:16 AM »
Some of the scenes look like right out of… Washington D.C.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #166 on: May 19, 2022, 11:44:27 AM »
Tortured, really?
And why can't people bring their own food and water?

Sounds like it was a disorganized mess, but no need for the hyperbole.

The minimum buy-in necessary from the majority of the charedim was that people that followed the rules and bought tickets would be able to go up at the approved time.
Instead, police violated the approved and planned 16k allowed at any time from the first minute of Lag Baomer and kept it that way. it created huge bottle necks and the expected results.
They wanted to expropriate the control over the place, but instead completely ruined everything.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2022, 11:47:48 AM »
The minimum buy-in necessary from the majority of the charedim was that people that followed the rules and bought tickets would be able to go up at the approved time.
Instead, police violated the approved and planned 16k allowed at any time from the first minute of Lag Baomer and kept it that way. it created huge bottle necks and the expected results.
They wanted to expropriate the control over the place, but instead completely ruined everything.
Did the large crowds arriving without tickets not lead to, or exacerbate, any of what you mention ?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #168 on: May 19, 2022, 11:52:16 AM »
Tortured, really?
And why can't people bring their own food and water?

Sounds like it was a disorganized mess, but no need for the hyperbole.

Because they planned on getting there in 2.5 hours instead of 10?

Because they don't own portable bathrooms?

Because they're the normal people who went the right way, purchased tickets, and calculated their day based on time slots that never materialized?

Why would anyone trust and go with the announced plans if that means giving yourself over to some unknown <…> for 24hrs?

In the meantime, those same "extremists" without tickets had it quite smooth; 40 of their busses made it in without any issues, while their normal law-abiding counterparts were tortured.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 05:11:05 PM by AsherO »

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #169 on: May 19, 2022, 11:53:16 AM »
Tortured, really?
And why can't people bring their own food and water?

Sounds like it was a disorganized mess, but no need for the hyperbole.
Yes. Tortured

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #170 on: May 19, 2022, 11:57:30 AM »
Did the large crowds arriving without tickets not lead to, or exacerbate, any of what you mention ?

All these stopped busses already from the beginning of the night were the approved busses.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #171 on: May 19, 2022, 11:59:22 AM »
All these stopped busses already from the beginning of the night were the approved busses.
Did it not have anything to do with the chaos already unfolding in Meron ?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #172 on: May 19, 2022, 11:59:38 AM »
Because they planned on getting there in 2.5 hours instead of 10?

Because they don't own portable bathrooms?

Because they're the normal people who went the right way, purchased tickets, and calculated their day based on time slots that never materialized?

Why would anyone trust and go with the announced plans if that means giving yourself over to some unknown for 24hrs?

In the meantime, those same "extremists" without tickets had it quite smooth; 40 of their busses made it in without any issues, while their normal law-abiding counterparts were tortured.
Now we have more details than just missing water.
We need a full TR :)
« Last Edit: May 19, 2022, 05:13:35 PM by AsherO »
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #173 on: May 19, 2022, 12:01:36 PM »
Yes. Tortured
Now I understand why some extremists are yelling at the Police officers 'nazis'... They didn't allow anyone to take along food. And are stopping the buses despite the crowds in Meron are following the rules. No?

Last night was relatively order, and I am also pained that the Tzion was so empty, but it did give everyone a chance to briefly go in. Now a group is in the Tzion and "do not allow anyone else in". So what's better?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #174 on: May 19, 2022, 12:07:30 PM »
Did it not have anything to do with the chaos already unfolding in Meron ?

No. Before the chaos. Chaos started at the second and third batches of the approved busses. Pressure started building up.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #175 on: May 19, 2022, 12:17:48 PM »
What were the bus drivers doing all this time ? Why didn’t they go to nearby cities to get food & drinks ?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #176 on: May 19, 2022, 12:39:24 PM »
Now we have more details than just missing water.
We need a full TR :)


I predicted all this beforehand, based on their plans. And that’s why I’m now located in the strange city of new york.

Btw, now that the extremists gained control there, who’s suffering the consequences? Not them! It’s the law-abiding ticket buyers who’s busses are being turned back, some after hours on the road! So why would anyone trust their processes again?!

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #177 on: May 19, 2022, 12:50:39 PM »
Now we have more details than just missing water.
We need a full TR :)
Jewish people caused the mess, Jewish people made the problems.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #178 on: May 19, 2022, 01:02:15 PM »
מנהל הרשות הארצית לתחבורה ציבורית רן שדמי לגלסנר ב'קול ברמה': "החזרנו היום לאחור כ-100-80 אוטובוסים עם אנשים שקנו כרטיסים".


The potatoes in these peoples heads are visible from space.

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