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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2022, 10:34:47 AM »
I expected fighting, chaos. Not organized deprivation of human necessities.

Do "they" view "chareidim" as humans?
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2022, 10:45:11 AM »
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2022, 10:46:14 AM »
There is another perspective that I don't think was brought up.

In a shaas hashmad, when the powers-that-be are deliberately trying to skew yiddishkeit, you are obligated to give up your life even for a minhag (according to most). That being said, is it possible that the Eidah considers this a deliberate attempt by the Zionist government to impede on a minhag, which would then mandate that everyone go DESPITE safety risks?

Again, I don't think they don't care about safety at all, put perhaps they pasken that in this case people must go even if there is a safety risk?

(NOTE: I did not hear this angle from the Eidah, or from anyone else. It's just my thoughts.)

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2022, 10:50:27 AM »
Looks like the government just wants to put a end to the lag beomer besides if this is the first event they ever planned,like no bathrooms? Whatís the plan?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2022, 10:52:55 AM »


Looks like the government just wants to put a end to the lag beomer
That has already happened
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2022, 11:03:13 AM »
There is another perspective that I don't think was brought up.

In a shaas hashmad, when the powers-that-be are deliberately trying to skew yiddishkeit, you are obligated to give up your life even for a minhag (according to most). That being said, is it possible that the Eidah considers this a deliberate attempt by the Zionist government to impede on a minhag, which would then mandate that everyone go DESPITE safety risks?

Again, I don't think they don't care about safety at all, put perhaps they pasken that in this case people must go even if there is a safety risk?

(NOTE: I did not hear this angle from the Eidah, or from anyone else. It's just my thoughts.)
Where do you see the Eidah is pushing to go this year and to boycott all safety measures? It seems like most Eidah affiliated kehillos backed out a while ago. The Eideh fighting the Zionist takeover of this holy place doesn't mean they advocate going up en masse with no regard to safety. They just won't let them exploit last years crisis for something they've yearned to do for years already.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2022, 11:04:52 AM »
Where do you see the Eidah is pushing to go this year and to boycott all safety measures? It seems like most Eidah affiliated kehillos backed out a while ago. The Eideh fighting the Zionist takeover of this holy place doesn't mean they advocate going up en masse with no regard to safety. They just won't let them exploit last years crisis for something they've yearned to do for years already.
They said whoever goes should not go with the official tickets.
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #88 on: May 18, 2022, 11:08:54 AM »
That has already happened
Ye but this seems to be theyíre long term solutionÖ.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2022, 11:09:26 AM »
They said whoever goes should not go with the official tickets.
Hardly the same

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #90 on: May 18, 2022, 11:11:01 AM »
Hardly the same
For an official statement that's pretty radical. It's a criminal offense to be on the mountain without a ticket. The police have prepared for hundreds of not thousands of arrests.
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2022, 11:12:33 AM »
For an official statement that's pretty radical. It's a criminal offense to be on the mountain without a ticket. The police have prepared for hundreds of not thousands of arrests.
We shall see how this plays out.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2022, 11:15:17 AM »
There is another perspective that I don't think was brought up.

In a shaas hashmad, when the powers-that-be are deliberately trying to skew yiddishkeit, you are obligated to give up your life even for a minhag (according to most). That being said, is it possible that the Eidah considers this a deliberate attempt by the Zionist government to impede on a minhag, which would then mandate that everyone go DESPITE safety risks?

Again, I don't think they don't care about safety at all, put perhaps they pasken that in this case people must go even if there is a safety risk?

(NOTE: I did not hear this angle from the Eidah, or from anyone else. It's just my thoughts.)
Please, not another life!

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2022, 11:20:31 AM »
Where do you see the Eidah is pushing to go this year and to boycott all safety measures? It seems like most Eidah affiliated kehillos backed out a while ago. The Eideh fighting the Zionist takeover of this holy place doesn't mean they advocate going up en masse with no regard to safety. They just won't let them exploit last years crisis for something they've yearned to do for years already.
There was a video going around in which they called on everyone to go even without tickets.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2022, 11:21:17 AM »
Please, not another life!
+1,000.

But that doesn't mean that Halacha doesn't mandate that we give our lives in this case. I'm not a posek, just noting that there are instances that we would be required to do it.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2022, 11:33:41 AM »
+1,000.

But that doesn't mean that Halacha doesn't mandate that we give our lives in this case. I'm not a posek, just noting that there are instances that we would be required to do it.
How is this shas hashmad ? The government isnít doing this to incite chareidem, itís to avoid any more korbonas.
Where does it say in halacha that whole klal yisroel has to pack in there on 1 day ?

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2022, 11:38:42 AM »
How is this shas hashmad ? The government isnít doing this to incite chareidem, itís to avoid any more korbonas.
Many disagree. Overall, the Brisker belief is that a primary goal of the Zionist government is to destroy yiddishkeit, and they use their power to try to make frum people stop doing mitzvos. I don't know if the Eidah's shittos are the same, but I know they are somewhat aligned.

And to prove this, look at some of the seemingly senseless things they implemented, such as only one fire. Also, the people making the decisions have a history in trying to mess with Torah values.

Where does it say in halacha that whole klal yisroel has to pack in there on 1 day ?
Most shittos say that in a shas hashmad, even a minhag becomes yeharog ve'al yaavor. The case of the gemara is the color of a shoelace, which also does not appear in halacha. Going to Meron on Lag Be'omar is probably no less a minhag than that.

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2022, 11:49:51 AM »
According to the Police Meron is now at full capacity. They won't let people in and all busses will be stopped at the intermediary stations until people leave.
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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #98 on: May 18, 2022, 12:02:21 PM »

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Re: Lag Baomer in Meron 2022
« Reply #99 on: May 18, 2022, 12:08:48 PM »
@YitzyS you were the last one I thought would pull the shmad card
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