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Ger Fight on Shabbos
« on: May 21, 2022, 03:10:24 PM »
Anyone saw or have any insight on the fight that went on in yerushalayim this shabbos?
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2022, 03:33:42 PM »
Anyone saw or have any insight on the fight that went on in yerushalayim this shabbos?
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2022, 04:29:01 PM »
Anyone saw or have any insight on the fight that went on in yerushalayim this shabbos?

Anyone have any other good pieces of loshen horah?

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2022, 11:02:39 PM »
Anyone have any other good pieces of loshen horah?
I thought this was לשם שמים?
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2022, 11:06:42 PM »
I thought this was לשם שמים?

For us to discuss it is certainly not.

They say that Rav Yaakov Emden and Rav Yonasan Eibshetz both went to Gan Eden, but all the people in the generation that decided to get involved in the "hock" did not necessarily. A machlokes being l'shem shamayim doesn't mean that one can't transgress איסורי לשון הרע in discussing it.

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2022, 11:13:25 PM »
For us to discuss it is certainly not.

They say that Rav Yaakov Emden and Rav Yonasan Eibshetz both went to Gan Eden, but all the people in the generation that decided to get involved in the "hock" did not necessarily. A machlokes being l'shem shamayim doesn't mean that one can't transgress איסורי לשון הרע in discussing it.
How can it be לשון הרע to discuss a מצווה?
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2022, 11:40:54 PM »
For us to discuss it is certainly not.

They say that Rav Yaakov Emden and Rav Yonasan Eibshetz both went to Gan Eden, but all the people in the generation that decided to get involved in the "hock" did not necessarily. A machlokes being l'shem shamayim doesn't mean that one can't transgress איסורי לשון הרע in discussing it.
Please elaborate why you feel it is "certainly not".
Did they ever get physical? Who was the fight with on Shabbos?
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2022, 12:19:44 AM »
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2022, 11:18:19 AM »
For us to discuss it is certainly not.

They say that Rav Yaakov Emden and Rav Yonasan Eibshetz both went to Gan Eden, but all the people in the generation that decided to get involved in the "hock" did not necessarily. A machlokes being l'shem shamayim doesn't mean that one can't transgress איסורי לשון הרע in discussing it.

I'm sorry?
Why can't we say clearly that no matter what the details of the dispute between the leaders is, any follower who resorts to violence is beyond the pale.

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2022, 12:35:48 PM »
I'm sorry?
Why can't we say clearly that no matter what the details of the dispute between the leaders is, any follower who resorts to violence is beyond the pale.

You're correct. The problem is, that the violence is only coming from one side. Some of their leaders encourage it. It will stop when they realize that the rest of the frum world is completely disgusted by their outrageous behavior.

Those who are on the side of violence will then accuse you of meddling in their business, being like Korach and Amalek.

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2022, 01:04:01 PM »
...Fanning the machlokes...

can we just end this thread?

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2022, 01:18:14 PM »


It will stop when they realize that the rest of the frum world is completely disgusted by their outrageous behavior.

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2022, 01:32:13 PM »
Mods, can you move this thread to the YWN Board?

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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2022, 01:48:28 PM »
Anyone have any other good pieces of loshen horah?
It's interesting how people only use this argument when it goes with their agenda.
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2022, 02:04:51 PM »
It's interesting how people only use this argument when it goes their agenda.
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2022, 02:39:29 PM »
I want to like and dislike this post.

Well did you? This option is actually available on DDF but we’ll never know
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2022, 02:45:48 PM »
Well did you? This option is actually available on DDF but we’ll never know
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Re: Ger Fight on Shabbos
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2022, 03:08:36 PM »
Well did you? This option is actually available on DDF but we’ll never know
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