continental vouchers

[moish]

According to that logic, the people who bought them should be prosecuted as well

why on earth?

[Chaikel]

why on earth?

Well if you can incriminate the middle man for buying at a suspicious price you can incriminate the end buyer for the same reason, no? As dealer said:

common sense

[Dan]

Well if you can incriminate the middle man for buying at a suspicious price you can incriminate the end buyer for the same reason, no? As dealer said:

Yes, ultimately you can be prosecuted for owning stolen goods.
However it would hinge on them proving you knew it was stolen, which would be very hard to do.

As usual Dan's nevuah was correct:

FBI: Continental Employee Used Fake Vouchers To Scam $1M
http://consumerist.com/2010/04/continental-employee-charged-with-using-fake-vouchers-to-scam-1m-from-passengers.html

Its not prophesy, it's just plain old greed that leads people to get involved with things like this or with MLMs that are obviously too good to be true...
The real key is knowing the difference between pushing the envelope on a great deal (say the vacation to Vegas) and getting involved in borderline illegal activity.

[SuperFlyer]

The real key is knowing the difference between pushing the envelope on a great deal (say the vacation to Vegas) and getting involved in borderline illegal activity.

...which results in either a cheap stay, or a stay sponsored by the government.

[Chaikel]

Yes, ultimately you can be prosecuted for owning stolen goods.
However it would hinge on them proving you knew it was stolen, which would be very hard to do.

Which was my point. In order to prosecute the middle men, they would have to prove they knew they were fraudulent. If you can prove it, the you will likely be able to prove those who bought it knew as well. Sorry for not being clear. Understand my logic?

[josh nyc]

Most States hold conspirators have to a) be in on it and b) take an overt act to further the conspiracy. It would be a huge huge stretch to hold any buyer accountable as a co-conspirator imo. Maybe you can prosecute them on mail fraud (which is a nice catch all the way the statute is written) or something else along those lines because its likely that if they were in Israel there were countless Federal issues involved.
Maybe other people have other suggestions as to what to prosecute them on. But i cant see the end buyers being nailed on conspiracy. And while ignorance of the law isnt a defense - like its been said before, you would need to prove they knew they were buying stolen goods. The middle men on the other hand are a different story.

[Dan]

Even the middle men can claim they thought they were buying valid vouchers from a uniformed CO employee.
It would be very difficult for CO or the feds to pursue the middlemen.  But I'm still glad that I avoided the whole mess.

[Chaikel]

Most States hold

A Yeshivish legal kup. Nice

Why would selling be considered furthering the conspiracy, but not buying

[Chaikel]

Even the middle men can claim they thought they were buying valid vouchers from a uniformed CO employee.
It would be very difficult for CO or the feds to pursue the middlemen.  But I'm still glad that I avoided the whole mess.

I'm sure ppl were suspicious, but I doubt ppl buying and selling them thought they were fraudulent (which will make it even harder to prove). But I am pretty naive to these things

[josh nyc]

If you sell the voucher as a middle man you are continuing - you get $ you give the kickback to the person above you get more vouchers and sell again etc - thats your "overt act in furtherance". Im not referring to an individual situation where  you just happened to resell a voucher that you bought personally because you couldnt use it etc - perhaps this is where we are misunderstanding each other.
If you buy the voucher, you use it and "the end". you yourself havent dont anything besides use the fraudulent voucher. (you dont "further" the conspiracy simply by giving cash to the seller and there is no conspiracy at all unless you actually know its illegal).

for a simple understanding you can look here http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm. or go to law school

[yossik]

Even the middle men can claim they thought they were buying valid vouchers from a uniformed CO employee.
It would be very difficult for CO or the feds to pursue the middlemen.  But I'm still glad that I avoided the whole mess.

Thank you Dan for guiding me.  As I asked the original question, I am very glad that I avoided this "deal".  Thanks Dan For your advice.  You were on the mark as usual.

[mena613]

Has anyone heard anything further about this case ? My brother had quite some vouchers and all he hears that the case is in court
but he has not heard back from anyone regarding an outcome or so !

[mena613]

2 Years ago some members of this forum discussed a lady who was selling continental vouchers which ended up being a scam.

Has anyone heard of any updates regarding this case ? The last thing i heard
was about some legel battle.

My brother bought quite a nr of those tickets and until this day did not hear back from anyone.

Please if anyone has any information let me know.

Thanks

[BISPRO]

http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2011/07/continental_newark_airport.html


http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=5614.0

[mena613]

Thanks for your link,

I know the story what happened, but im looking for the outcome of the pending court case against continental
where a settlement is being discussed.

Thanks 

[mena613]

Any news regarding this story ? A relative of mine lost quite a significant amount of money on this..