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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2012, 11:41:07 PM »
He definitly got stricter in the last few years.
What do you mean by "Got stricter''? When I was there the meat wasn't kosher!

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2012, 11:47:16 PM »
What do you mean by "Got stricter''? When I was there the meat wasn't kosher!
Care to elaborate?

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #82 on: January 13, 2012, 12:24:16 AM »
Care to elaborate?
The entire system was set up to fail:
Hebrew national buys their meet from non kosher slaughter houses, so the way it works is that they shecht some of the cows and buy what ever they want from the slaughter house. So far so good. The problem is that there are so many issues along the way that its very hard to consider the meet kosher. Lets start with the shocat (My brother shecheted for them for over year). The meet plant has a to kill a certain amount of cows a day, so if the shochat isnt quick enough the cow gets shot before the shochat finalizes the shchita i.e. sometimes its hard to determine who did it first and the shochat is under a lot of pressure to kill more, so he may not realize (In other plants it work very differently). the bodkim are under a lot of pressure to get a large quantity of kosher meat e.g. there was a bodek that was fired for not providing numbers. In Green Bay, WI there was a line of cows and line of tongues the mashgiach was asked to mark the kosher tongues by identifying the kosher cows the problem is that these lines dont always run parallel to each other. The cows run on a line and the bodek doesn't have a lot of time to check, unlike other plants where the cow is stationary when the bodek does his job. They do not do nikur. According to halacha the cow could only sit for 3 days after shechted before it salted, unless its submerged in water and than you have another 3 days. They simply spray the cows before the 3 days are up in-order to gain another 3 days (Ii dont know how good it is). There was a mashgiach that was caught eating ham was transferred to a different company and when they were desperate they called him back. I myself witnessed most of the above and some I heard first hand from people that worked there. 

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2012, 12:39:17 AM »
The entire system was set up to fail:
Hebrew national buys their meet from non kosher slaughter houses, so the way it works is that they shecht some of the cows and buy what ever they want from the slaughter house. So far so good. The problem is that there are so many issues along the way that its very hard to consider the meet kosher. Lets start with the shocat (My brother shecheted for them for over year). The meet plant has a to kill a certain amount of cows a day, so if the shochat isnt quick enough the cow gets shot before the shochat finalizes the shchita i.e. sometimes its hard to determine who did it first and the shochat is under a lot of pressure to kill more, so he may not realize (In other plants it work very differently). the bodkim are under a lot of pressure to get a large quantity of kosher meat e.g. there was a bodek that was fired for not providing numbers. In Green Bay, WI there was a line of cows and line of tongues the mashgiach was asked to mark the kosher tongues by identifying the kosher cows the problem is that these lines dont always run parallel to each other. The cows run on a line and the bodek doesn't have a lot of time to check, unlike other plants where the cow is stationary when the bodek does his job. They do not do nikur. According to halacha the cow could only sit for 3 days after shechted before it salted, unless its submerged in water and than you have another 3 days. They simply spray the cows before the 3 days are up in-order to gain another 3 days (Ii dont know how good it is). There was a mashgiach that was caught eating ham was transferred to a different company and when they were desperate they called him back. I myself witnessed most of the above and some I heard first hand from people that worked there.
Wow, very insightful! Thanks so much for taking the time to write that up!!

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2012, 02:33:51 AM »
According to halacha the cow could only sit for 3 days after shechted before it salted, unless its submerged in water and than you have another 3 days. They simply spray the cows before the 3 days are up in-order to gain another 3 days (Ii dont know how good it is).
I'm learning melicha now. According to just about everyone the meat is assur except for tzli. R' Moshe has one of his Chicago teshuvos about it and he says it's assur
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2012, 08:55:58 AM »
I'm learning melicha now. According to just about everyone the meat is assur except for tzli. R' Moshe has one of his Chicago teshuvos about it and he says it's assur
Thanks for reassuring, since I was pretty sure that thats the case. I tried to simply stick to the facts and not poskin.

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2012, 08:56:54 AM »
Wow, very insightful! Thanks so much for taking the time to write that up!!
Sure np

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2012, 12:02:54 PM »
The entire system was set up to fail:
Hebrew national buys their meet from non kosher slaughter houses, so the way it works is that they shecht some of the cows and buy what ever they want from the slaughter house. So far so good. The problem is that there are so many issues along the way that its very hard to consider the meet kosher. Lets start with the shocat (My brother shecheted for them for over year). The meet plant has a to kill a certain amount of cows a day, so if the shochat isnt quick enough the cow gets shot before the shochat finalizes the shchita i.e. sometimes its hard to determine who did it first and the shochat is under a lot of pressure to kill more, so he may not realize (In other plants it work very differently). the bodkim are under a lot of pressure to get a large quantity of kosher meat e.g. there was a bodek that was fired for not providing numbers. In Green Bay, WI there was a line of cows and line of tongues the mashgiach was asked to mark the kosher tongues by identifying the kosher cows the problem is that these lines dont always run parallel to each other. The cows run on a line and the bodek doesn't have a lot of time to check, unlike other plants where the cow is stationary when the bodek does his job. They do not do nikur. According to halacha the cow could only sit for 3 days after shechted before it salted, unless its submerged in water and than you have another 3 days. They simply spray the cows before the 3 days are up in-order to gain another 3 days (Ii dont know how good it is). There was a mashgiach that was caught eating ham was transferred to a different company and when they were desperate they called him back. I myself witnessed most of the above and some I heard first hand from people that worked there.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2012, 12:27:57 PM »
The entire system was set up to fail:
Hebrew national buys their meet from non kosher slaughter houses, so the way it works is that they shecht some of the cows and buy what ever they want from the slaughter house. So far so good. The problem is that there are so many issues along the way that its very hard to consider the meet kosher. Lets start with the shocat (My brother shecheted for them for over year). The meet plant has a to kill a certain amount of cows a day, so if the shochat isnt quick enough the cow gets shot before the shochat finalizes the shchita i.e. sometimes its hard to determine who did it first and the shochat is under a lot of pressure to kill more, so he may not realize (In other plants it work very differently). the bodkim are under a lot of pressure to get a large quantity of kosher meat e.g. there was a bodek that was fired for not providing numbers. In Green Bay, WI there was a line of cows and line of tongues the mashgiach was asked to mark the kosher tongues by identifying the kosher cows the problem is that these lines dont always run parallel to each other. The cows run on a line and the bodek doesn't have a lot of time to check, unlike other plants where the cow is stationary when the bodek does his job. They do not do nikur. According to halacha the cow could only sit for 3 days after shechted before it salted, unless its submerged in water and than you have another 3 days. They simply spray the cows before the 3 days are up in-order to gain another 3 days (Ii dont know how good it is). There was a mashgiach that was caught eating ham was transferred to a different company and when they were desperate they called him back. I myself witnessed most of the above and some I heard first hand from people that worked there.
Now go back 8 years later and see if its still that way. But thanks any for letting us know how it was 8 years ago.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2012, 07:06:58 PM »
OT here but does anyone know anything about the Tablet K hechsher?  I see it on cheeses all the time.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2012, 02:15:09 PM »
Lawsuit Claims Hebrew National Hot Dogs Are Not Kosher
The lawsuit seems aimed at the wrong place.  Hebrew National advertises itself as kosher to the highest standards because they have a hechsher from an orthodox rabbi.  They dont know the halachos of kashrus nor are they supposed to.  If anything the lawsuit should be brought against the hashgacha that asserts that it is kosher to the strictest standards.

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2012, 09:08:37 PM »
The lawsuit seems aimed at the wrong place.
Lawsuits are about following the $$$$.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2012, 09:36:12 PM »
Lawsuits are about following the $$$$.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #94 on: June 19, 2012, 08:13:17 PM »
Can one rely on the Triangle K for Minute Maid orange and apple juice?

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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #95 on: June 19, 2012, 08:17:52 PM »
Can one rely on the Triangle K for Minute Maid orange and apple juice?


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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #96 on: June 19, 2012, 08:54:48 PM »
Can one rely on the Triangle K for Minute Maid orange and apple juice?
100% Pure juice doesn't need a hechsher.
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Re: Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #98 on: June 19, 2012, 08:56:19 PM »
100% Pure juice doesn't need a hechsher.

Not everyone holds by that.
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Triangle- K Hechsher
« Reply #99 on: June 19, 2012, 09:38:14 PM »
100% Pure juice doesn't need a hechsher.

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How come some juices have OU-D? Publix brand....

Even if the last run was for grape juice?

If its not pasteurized and made in the USA then you have some room to be.