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A (unauthorized) write up of what Rav Reich stated in his Macha. I definitely did not write every word he said, but hopefuly its accurate
-regardless of what people are saying, nothing like this has happened before, red lines have been crossed
-we don't need to hear both sides and there's no tayna "don't mish in our machlokes"
-The reason we need to be moche is: Haroeh Soteh Bikilkola Yazor Atzmo Min Hayayin: because we get affected that we realize such a thing is possible: a pirtzas Geder (quote from Rav Aharon's Macha on the mevaze of the Brisjker Rav
-Even though the waring parties will not hear the macha, and even if they do they'll ignore it, need to be moche

-There are things that must be totally beyond the realm of possibility (his mashal was a conversation in middle of silent amida)
-A Yid who hits another Yid is a Rasha, pasul l'eidus, chiyuv malkos, and does not count for a minyan.
-You can play games and say you're a nirdaf, doesn't change anything, Zos HaTorah Eino Muchlefes. Those involved are pasul leidus and don't count for a minyan.
-There's a story with the Chidushei Harim: in short The gabbi hit one of the chassidim who wanted to enter when the rebbe was unavailable. Later the Rebbe told the gabbi to bring a Minyan, the gabbai brought 8 more, the rebbe said where's the minyan? the gabbai said theres 10. The rebbbe said "you hit a Yid, you don't count for minyan" The gabbai answered "I did it for the kavod of the Rebbe!" The Rebbe answered "This is not a Kavod for me! This is is (bizayon)"
-It's a group of people who are doing what they think is kavod for their rebbe
-doesn't think that the rebbe has any idea what their doing "for his kavod"
-the rebbe is a continuation of gedolei gedolim. (he went on for several minutes praising in turn each of the shalsheles Gur including the current rebbe)
-what happened is a bizayon for the rebbe, chazer treif.
-It's not the first time that a Yid hit another Yid. This is different. This was a POGROM. and that hasn't happened before. Five yungerlite made Gomel w/ shem and malchos because of a Pogrom made by Yidden with Spodiks. "That's a Bizayon for the Rebbe, a Bizayon for Ger, a Bizayon for me, and a Bizayon for you, a Bizayon for Kol Beis Yisroel"
-"Yidden should beseige a shul, and the people inside should be afraid they're going to be killed? Yidden? Pesulei Eidus! Mechalilei Shabbos! …It's a stain on the whole nation!"
-The claim "it was spontaneous": Kristalnach from the German point of view: We were nirdafim, the Jews were after them, they were sovel, it was terrible, they couldn't anymore. They waited for a ruse. The assassination of a German diplomat in Paris by a jewish boy. The German goverment announced in code: We cant take the achrayus of containing those people who were outraged by what the jews did here and there, we won't be able to contain them anymore."
So too here. Some one did something. It's not clear what exactly was the "great avla" that he did. Comes a "rav" says "Nisbakashti limsor Meis HaVaad Haelyonim (they're not elyonim - they're underworld people!) Limsor: that we have acted till now with so much savlonus...such restraint, everyone knows, they've been rodef us we've been niddafim...." [You remember these nirdafim, 10 rabbanim came to America when Rav Shaul was here, because they were Nirdafim...R' Shaul must of been killing people left and right, they were such nirdafim they had to come from eretz yisroel with the hatzalah...], we are nirdafim, and therefore we can't stop people..." and the code was very clear, and from this came the...
-they have no shame? These are Yidden? A rav?, a Vaada? and bachurim and yungerlite standing, hitting, going into peoples house...makkos retzach...Rachmone Letzlan!!!
-what's worse? this, or what's been going on the last few years?
-the fact that there is an orginization in klal yisreol like yeasfeini is a stain on the whole nation. an ORGINISATION that befriends children that they manged to catch, keep away from their parents, Mechanech a gantze dor not to speak to thier father or mother because they (father/mother) chose a different derech, cut off from this one, not to go to simchas...and these are pekudos that you cant tell me are not true because they've PRINTED them, and sent them in Robocalls...Have they no shame?
-there's a musag in klal yisroel of Mishkal - some times you need to do somthing, but knowing when, and how . (story of the Sar Shalom, who's elderly mother was only willing to eat what her Shalom'ke ate. On peasach he ate gebrochts, so she would eat the matza). Right, the kavod of the rebbe is very, very important. But for this you couse an almana pain? Metzaer Yesomim? Pekudos, everything lo plug, no exceptions. estranging children from their parents. people are crying. Every tear from a yid, SHaarei Dimaos Lo Yinalu...Shrekt zach nisht? (have you no fear?) no pachad? You think this isn't going to come back to haunt you? You think you're not going to suffer? The torah says "shmoe eshma tzakaso...".....people are crying....(and they say) "its gornisht, WE"RE nirdafim, they're rodfim!", what is this jokes? this is a game? They won't have nachas from their children, that I can say. Kinder that were torn from their parents, sitting on mizrach, getting kavod becuase people are telling them it's the right thing to do...not to go to their mothers levaya, fathers levaya...and then in 20 years time you'll have volumes of yaldei ger, malshinim(?). It'll come to haunt them. A child must have a father, a mother, yasmus is a tragedy. It's not going to end well for them. The RbS"O doesn't give siyata dishmaya for such things. It's not a mehalach!
-difference between the two side.
       -Sometimes a minority controls. This Vaade has a few eidel yidden, they can't say anything, they can't stand up to it...one is mechazek the other, this must be the right thing to do, and they quell their guilty conscience, to bring out the lowest element in people.
       -The other eida. Rav Shaul demands Romemus Hanefesh, he demands it, talks about it, lives with it. he refuses to speak negatively. He himself is a Groise Mentch, a talmid chochom amiti, he is a baal madreiga, and kederech haRuchnius its mashpia on all his people. They're the same people, they come from the same crowd, why are the so different? On this side there's a "vaade" and on this side there's a adam gadol who demands romemus from his tzibur..... Abaal kishron nifla.... and people connect with him and are mashpia ltov
-You're eida creates that people need to make gomel with shem/malchus and you make a joke about it...pasuk in navi yeshaya you don't want to understand because then you'll need to do teshuva...the r eibishter sees all
-this has to be something that doesn't happen in klal yisreol, a one time aberration...
-maybe this happened to publicize Rav shaul to the rest of klal Yisroel. There are many great chassidishe RY that the rest of the world doesnt hear of (brought examples...), mistome by chassidim they've never heard of R' Nachum...
-his misnagdim are causing his growth in the world...(mashal like tzefardeia was spread by the metzriim themselfs)
-what is this vaade worried about? he doesn't want to be rebbe. he want's to be a RY. The greatest kavod for Ger would have been for him to be their RY!
-you see in his the gadlus of a talmid chacham amiti, not intrested in the pettyness of lo sikom v'lo sitor...
-how sad it is that the hemshech of the gadlus of pshischa and kotzke has become...mesiras nefesh for narishkeiten...madeup stories...
-how Rav Shilo Raphael (from Mosad Harav Kook - grandson of Rav Maimon - Mizrachi) became a Gerer chossid...

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2022, 07:34:42 PM »
The Viznitzer Rebe and the Stoliner Rebbe also spoke out publicly against striking someone.
FTFY Pshevorsk too

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2022, 07:38:39 PM »
I think Yisroel Besser in voice in the crowd in the mishpacha hinted to it in this pasts week publication.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2022, 07:57:24 PM »
I don’t recall Satmar ever kidnapping or coaching wife/kids to toss husband/parents of any Lubavitcher.
I recall them trying to toss a lubavitcher off the bridge...

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Re: We must talk about what happened in Ger- Rav Uren Reich
« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2022, 07:59:40 PM »
This is why we are still in Golus w/o the Beis Hamikdash.
I was actually wondering, thanks for clarifying

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2022, 08:04:06 PM »
Whether it has happened in the past didn't seem to be the main point. He was just saying that this is worse than what has happened in the recent past, so thats why he's saying something now, as opposed to fights that took place 5-10 years ago.
You can't ask why he didn't say something 40-50 years ago if similar things took place.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2022, 08:05:33 PM »
Whether it has happened in the past didn't seem to be the main point. He was just saying that this is worse than what has happened in the recent past, so thats why he's saying something now, as opposed to fights that took place 5-10 years ago.
You can't ask why he didn't say something 40-50 years ago if similar things took place.
He was too young then and it probably wasn't common knowledge to anyone not in Satmar or Lubavitch. Especially if you lived in England.

In any case, we should focus on ובערת הרע מקרבך and not on why that didn't happen in the past.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2022, 08:06:18 PM »
Bottom line is that all of these past cases are with fuzzy memory and people saying cases they remember that many here weren't even born yet. How would we know if there were machaos then when they weren't posted online?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2022, 08:10:11 PM »
And this folks is why these threads should never even be started. It’s one thing for famous people/Rabbonim, who have followers, or give mussar, to talk about it. Quite another thing for social media, chat groups to sit & gossip about it. Absolutely zero תועלת. Quite the opposite, actually.
+100000000000000

IMHO there is absolutely no place for us simpletons to get involved in any of this. OTOH leaders have a חובת מחאה if they see behavior that is against הלכה, and if they fail to do so, then their leadership might fall into question (which IINM was the reasoning behind the חרם on the Hechsher of Hisachdus back in the early 80s).
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2022, 08:11:28 PM »
Bottom line is that all of these past cases are with fuzzy memory and people saying cases they remember that many here weren't even born yet. How would we know if there were machaos then when they weren't posted online?

Are you downplaying the power of the printed word? There are plenty of people that keep archives of those. And as I mentioned in my previous post, there was a specific action taken due to lack of מחאה.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2022, 09:26:58 PM »
Pshevorsk too
Was never an outspoken person and a tremendous Adam Gadol who is revered worldwide, and if he find the need for it... No question that all of this Machaos will have an impact on future Ger behavior. Nobody wants to be in a bad light.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2022, 09:28:36 PM »
(which IINM was the reasoning behind the חרם on the Hechsher of Hisachdus back in the early 80s).
Still in effect?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2022, 09:38:22 PM »
Don’t see the point of this thread… gedoilim that feel the need to take a stand are doing it already and this talk between us just leads to all kinds of loshon harah and can see leading to talking against our Rabbonim
Suggest mods to please lock/delete this thread

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2022, 10:10:31 PM »
Still in effect?

It was never removed. (Many of) Those that instituted it are no longer with us (and I would assume Hisachdus leadership is different too). I know some that are very zealous about it, and there are many who don't see a valid reason for it nowadays.

IIRC prior to being elected Rabbi Braun said that it is something that should be revisited and decided upon, rather than left to the current status where some adhere to it zealously, while others disregard it. AFAIK nothing came of it.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2022, 11:10:54 PM »
It was never removed. (Many of) Those that instituted it are no longer with us (and I would assume Hisachdus leadership is different too). I know some that are very zealous about it, and there are many who don't see a valid reason for it nowadays.

IIRC prior to being elected Rabbi Braun said that it is something that should be revisited and decided upon, rather than left to the current status where some adhere to it zealously, while others disregard it. AFAIK nothing came of it.
I don't think the required events could happen even today, ואכ"מ

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2022, 11:49:42 PM »
Bottom line is that all of these past cases are with fuzzy memory and people saying cases they remember that many here weren't even born yet. How would we know if there were machaos then when they weren't posted online?
Stop hacking a tchainik

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2022, 01:23:48 AM »
I wonder how many people here actually listened to Rav Uren Reich's drasha until the end. Really really interesting, speaks very smart, to the point and entertaining too. Definitely worth to listen till the end.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2022, 02:00:32 AM »
I wonder how many people here actually listened to Rav Uren Reich's drasha until the end. Really really interesting, speaks very smart, to the point and entertaining too. Definitely worth to listen till the end.
Since Rav Matisyahu Salomon I have not found anyone who can profoundly and eloquently articulate an issue, bringing out the nuance and depth in a compelling way like Rav Uren Reich, at least in Lakewood.  His take is always fresh, authentic, and fearless, but with a hachna’ah. I remember when the WZO controversy came up he said that he didn’t understand Rav Chaim’s position and if Rav Aharon Kotler was alive he wouldn’t be gores Rav Chaim’s position but Rav Chaim  is the manhig of the dor so once he ascertained that there was no ambiguity in Rav Chaim’s position that is the position he is taking. Refreshing and authentic.
https://vinnews.com/2020/03/04/major-development-exclusive-leaked-audio-rav-uren-reich-says-to-listen-to-rav-chaim-and-vote-for-eretz-haodesh/
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2022, 03:59:59 AM »
I recall them trying to toss a lubavitcher off the bridge...
u were the one being thrown off the bridge or the one doing the throwing?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2022, 10:01:01 AM »
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