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A (unauthorized) write up of what Rav Reich stated in his Macha. I definitely did not write every word he said, but hopefuly its accurate
-regardless of what people are saying, nothing like this has happened before, red lines have been crossed
-we don't need to hear both sides and there's no tayna "don't mish in our machlokes"
-The reason we need to be moche is: Haroeh Soteh Bikilkola Yazor Atzmo Min Hayayin: because we get affected that we realize such a thing is possible: a pirtzas Geder (quote from Rav Aharon's Macha on the mevaze of the Brisjker Rav
-Even though the waring parties will not hear the macha, and even if they do they'll ignore it, need to be moche

-There are things that must be totally beyond the realm of possibility (his mashal was a conversation in middle of silent amida)
-A Yid who hits another Yid is a Rasha, pasul l'eidus, chiyuv malkos, and does not count for a minyan.
-You can play games and say you're a nirdaf, doesn't change anything, Zos HaTorah Eino Muchlefes. Those involved are pasul leidus and don't count for a minyan.
-There's a story with the Chidushei Harim: in short The gabbi hit one of the chassidim who wanted to enter when the rebbe was unavailable. Later the Rebbe told the gabbi to bring a Minyan, the gabbai brought 8 more, the rebbe said where's the minyan? the gabbai said theres 10. The rebbbe said "you hit a Yid, you don't count for minyan" The gabbai answered "I did it for the kavod of the Rebbe!" The Rebbe answered "This is not a Kavod for me! This is is (bizayon)"
-It's a group of people who are doing what they think is kavod for their rebbe
-doesn't think that the rebbe has any idea what their doing "for his kavod"
-the rebbe is a continuation of gedolei gedolim. (he went on for several minutes praising in turn each of the shalsheles Gur including the current rebbe)
-what happened is a bizayon for the rebbe, chazer treif.
-It's not the first time that a Yid hit another Yid. This is different. This was a POGROM. and that hasn't happened before. Five yungerlite made Gomel w/ shem and malchos because of a Pogrom made by Yidden with Spodiks. "That's a Bizayon for the Rebbe, a Bizayon for Ger, a Bizayon for me, and a Bizayon for you, a Bizayon for Kol Beis Yisroel"
-"Yidden should beseige a shul, and the people inside should be afraid they're going to be killed? Yidden? Pesulei Eidus! Mechalilei Shabbos! …It's a stain on the whole nation!"
-The claim "it was spontaneous": Kristalnach from the German point of view: We were nirdafim, the Jews were after them, they were sovel, it was terrible, they couldn't anymore. They waited for a ruse. The assassination of a German diplomat in Paris by a jewish boy. The German goverment announced in code: We cant take the achrayus of containing those people who were outraged by what the jews did here and there, we won't be able to contain them anymore."
So too here. Some one did something. It's not clear what exactly was the "great avla" that he did. Comes a "rav" says "Nisbakashti limsor Meis HaVaad Haelyonim (they're not elyonim - they're underworld people!) Limsor: that we have acted till now with so much savlonus...such restraint, everyone knows, they've been rodef us we've been niddafim...." [You remember these nirdafim, 10 rabbanim came to America when Rav Shaul was here, because they were Nirdafim...R' Shaul must of been killing people left and right, they were such nirdafim they had to come from eretz yisroel with the hatzalah...], we are nirdafim, and therefore we can't stop people..." and the code was very clear, and from this came the...
-they have no shame? These are Yidden? A rav?, a Vaada? and bachurim and yungerlite standing, hitting, going into peoples house...makkos retzach...Rachmone Letzlan!!!
-what's worse? this, or what's been going on the last few years?
-the fact that there is an orginization in klal yisreol like yeasfeini is a stain on the whole nation. an ORGINISATION that befriends children that they manged to catch, keep away from their parents, Mechanech a gantze dor not to speak to thier father or mother because they (father/mother) chose a different derech, cut off from this one, not to go to simchas...and these are pekudos that you cant tell me are not true because they've PRINTED them, and sent them in Robocalls...Have they no shame?
-there's a musag in klal yisroel of Mishkal - some times you need to do somthing, but knowing when, and how . (story of the Sar Shalom, who's elderly mother was only willing to eat what her Shalom'ke ate. On peasach he ate gebrochts, so she would eat the matza). Right, the kavod of the rebbe is very, very important. But for this you couse an almana pain? Metzaer Yesomim? Pekudos, everything lo plug, no exceptions. estranging children from their parents. people are crying. Every tear from a yid, SHaarei Dimaos Lo Yinalu...Shrekt zach nisht? (have you no fear?) no pachad? You think this isn't going to come back to haunt you? You think you're not going to suffer? The torah says "shmoe eshma tzakaso...".....people are crying....(and they say) "its gornisht, WE"RE nirdafim, they're rodfim!", what is this jokes? this is a game? They won't have nachas from their children, that I can say. Kinder that were torn from their parents, sitting on mizrach, getting kavod becuase people are telling them it's the right thing to do...not to go to their mothers levaya, fathers levaya...and then in 20 years time you'll have volumes of yaldei ger, malshinim(?). It'll come to haunt them. A child must have a father, a mother, yasmus is a tragedy. It's not going to end well for them. The RbS"O doesn't give siyata dishmaya for such things. It's not a mehalach!
-difference between the two side.
       -Sometimes a minority controls. This Vaade has a few eidel yidden, they can't say anything, they can't stand up to it...one is mechazek the other, this must be the right thing to do, and they quell their guilty conscience, to bring out the lowest element in people.
       -The other eida. Rav Shaul demands Romemus Hanefesh, he demands it, talks about it, lives with it. he refuses to speak negatively. He himself is a Groise Mentch, a talmid chochom amiti, he is a baal madreiga, and kederech haRuchnius its mashpia on all his people. They're the same people, they come from the same crowd, why are the so different? On this side there's a "vaade" and on this side there's a adam gadol who demands romemus from his tzibur..... Abaal kishron nifla.... and people connect with him and are mashpia ltov
-You're eida creates that people need to make gomel with shem/malchus and you make a joke about it...pasuk in navi yeshaya you don't want to understand because then you'll need to do teshuva...the r eibishter sees all
-this has to be something that doesn't happen in klal yisreol, a one time aberration...
-maybe this happened to publicize Rav shaul to the rest of klal Yisroel. There are many great chassidishe RY that the rest of the world doesnt hear of (brought examples...), mistome by chassidim they've never heard of R' Nachum...
-his misnagdim are causing his growth in the world...(mashal like tzefardeia was spread by the metzriim themselfs)
-what is this vaade worried about? he doesn't want to be rebbe. he want's to be a RY. The greatest kavod for Ger would have been for him to be their RY!
-you see in his the gadlus of a talmid chacham amiti, not intrested in the pettyness of lo sikom v'lo sitor...
-how sad it is that the hemshech of the gadlus of pshischa and kotzke has become...mesiras nefesh for narishkeiten...madeup stories...
-how Rav Shilo Raphael (from Mosad Harav Kook - grandson of Rav Maimon - Mizrachi) became a Gerer chossid...

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2022, 11:06:53 AM »
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2022, 11:31:49 AM »
They just ruined it all
Meaning?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2022, 11:46:19 AM »
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if i believed every pachkavillin that came out...

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2022, 12:01:52 PM »
if i believed every pachkavillin that came out...
Are you a troll?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2022, 01:43:34 PM »
Why does the "it's lashon hara" card seemingly get played more when there's a victim(s) on the other side? Walder; Ger; etc

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2022, 01:45:48 PM »
Why does the "it's lashon hara" card seemingly get played more when there's a victim(s) on the other side? Walder; Ger; etc
Possibly because there's a bigger temptation to speak about it then, but in reality these cases have no shaychus to Lashon Hara.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2022, 02:18:00 PM »
https://twitter.com/jewishmemequeen/status/1534305616512040963
Well intentioned but mistaken.
By vidui of Yom Kippur we say את אשר אסרת התרתי ואת אשר התרתה אסרתי.
One has to know when to shy away and when to have the hanhaga of אל תהי צדיק הרבה.
One will be עתיד ליתן את הדין for לשון הרע but will also be עתיד ליתן את הדין for standing by silent when there is ביזוי תלמידי חכמים and certainly if one has the ability להציל העשוק מיד עושקו.
It takes an אדם גדול to know the difference.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #89 on: June 08, 2022, 02:43:51 PM »
I thought that once 3 people know about it, it isn't loshon hara anymore

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #90 on: June 08, 2022, 03:00:10 PM »
u were the one being thrown off the bridge or the one doing the throwing?
Only 2 options?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #91 on: June 08, 2022, 03:02:19 PM »
It takes an אדם גדול to know the difference.
You wanna know the difference ? There’s Rav Reich’s shiur. In it he heaps praise on both the Gerrer Rebbe & Rav Shaul. He speaks so adoringly of them & Ger in general, you’d think he’s the biggest gerrer chossid, of both of them.
Then there’s this thread. There’s your difference.

There’s a saying (I don’t know from whom):
איש אמו ואביו תיראו- One needs to be very afraid of things that are ״פטור״ & ״מותר״.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #92 on: June 08, 2022, 03:04:23 PM »
You wanna know the difference ? There’s Rav Reich’s shiur. In it he heaps praise on both the Gerrer Rebbe & Rav Shaul. He speaks so adoringly of them & Ger in general, you’d think he’s the biggest gerrer chossid, of both of them.
Then there’s this thread. There’s your difference.
There’s a saying (I don’t know from whom): איש אמו ואביו תיראו- One needs to be very afraid of things that are ״פטור״ & ״מותר״.
Not exactly lol. But, I digress. You have an issue with a few specific posts and then you want the whole thread deleted. I agree that we should keep it focused but we should not lock or delete this thread.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #93 on: June 08, 2022, 03:06:32 PM »
Not exactly lol. But, I digress. You have an issue with a few specific posts and then you want the whole thread deleted. I agree that we should keep it focused but we should not lock or delete this thread.
Those who need to talk about it should & must talk about it. I just don’t see any reason why it needs to be discussed here.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #94 on: June 08, 2022, 03:17:04 PM »
Those who need to talk about it should & must talk about it. I just don’t see any reason why it needs to be discussed here.

If these are things that you are anyway talking in mikvah/shul/office then I don't see why it can't be discussed here when done appropriately and maturely, the points are actually better articulated and well thought out here. The problem with online anonymous chats starts when people are posting stuff they'll be ashamed to say IRL. I haven't found the person irl who would instantly say "nu, lashon hora, it's non of our business" when talking of what happened, the מחאות etc, but maybe my circle is געשלאגן with lashon hora.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #95 on: June 08, 2022, 03:25:26 PM »
If these are things that you are anyway talking in mikvah/shul/office
A mikvah is for toiveling, a shul for davening, & an office for working. :)

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #96 on: June 08, 2022, 03:26:23 PM »
Those who need to talk about it should & must talk about it. I just don’t see any reason why it needs to be discussed here.
Rav Uren Reich was pretty clear in his speech that he felt that every single person who heard about the progrom or other such activities of the last few years- and that probably includes 99% of DDF- needs to hear the מחאה and not just a cursory squawk of protest to be yotzei but an in depth understanding of the wrongs committed. I think this thread does just that. If mods could clean up the posts that don’t belong that would be great.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #97 on: June 08, 2022, 03:26:54 PM »
A mikvah is for toiveling, a shul for davening, & an office for working. :)
Couple that with zero lashon hora whatsoever.. Where is Moshiach?? :)

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #98 on: June 08, 2022, 03:33:08 PM »
Rav Uren Reich was pretty clear in his speech that he felt that every single person who heard about the progrom or other such activities of the last few years- and that probably includes 99% of DDF- needs to hear the מחאה and not just a cursory squawk of protest to be yotzei but an in depth understanding of the wrongs committed. I think this thread does just that.
The first post took care of that.
If mods could clean up the posts that don’t belong that would be great.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #99 on: June 08, 2022, 03:39:35 PM »
I thought that once 3 people know about it, it isn't loshon hara anymore
This is inaccurate.
If it's לתועלת, it's מותר to say generally that there was violence and its unacceptable, and what we should learn from it.

Talking about the sides, and bringing up מחלוקת of decads ago (which for the most part I didn't even know about) doesn't seem like תועלת  at all.