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A (unauthorized) write up of what Rav Reich stated in his Macha. I definitely did not write every word he said, but hopefuly its accurate
-regardless of what people are saying, nothing like this has happened before, red lines have been crossed
-we don't need to hear both sides and there's no tayna "don't mish in our machlokes"
-The reason we need to be moche is: Haroeh Soteh Bikilkola Yazor Atzmo Min Hayayin: because we get affected that we realize such a thing is possible: a pirtzas Geder (quote from Rav Aharon's Macha on the mevaze of the Brisjker Rav
-Even though the waring parties will not hear the macha, and even if they do they'll ignore it, need to be moche

-There are things that must be totally beyond the realm of possibility (his mashal was a conversation in middle of silent amida)
-A Yid who hits another Yid is a Rasha, pasul l'eidus, chiyuv malkos, and does not count for a minyan.
-You can play games and say you're a nirdaf, doesn't change anything, Zos HaTorah Eino Muchlefes. Those involved are pasul leidus and don't count for a minyan.
-There's a story with the Chidushei Harim: in short The gabbi hit one of the chassidim who wanted to enter when the rebbe was unavailable. Later the Rebbe told the gabbi to bring a Minyan, the gabbai brought 8 more, the rebbe said where's the minyan? the gabbai said theres 10. The rebbbe said "you hit a Yid, you don't count for minyan" The gabbai answered "I did it for the kavod of the Rebbe!" The Rebbe answered "This is not a Kavod for me! This is is (bizayon)"
-It's a group of people who are doing what they think is kavod for their rebbe
-doesn't think that the rebbe has any idea what their doing "for his kavod"
-the rebbe is a continuation of gedolei gedolim. (he went on for several minutes praising in turn each of the shalsheles Gur including the current rebbe)
-what happened is a bizayon for the rebbe, chazer treif.
-It's not the first time that a Yid hit another Yid. This is different. This was a POGROM. and that hasn't happened before. Five yungerlite made Gomel w/ shem and malchos because of a Pogrom made by Yidden with Spodiks. "That's a Bizayon for the Rebbe, a Bizayon for Ger, a Bizayon for me, and a Bizayon for you, a Bizayon for Kol Beis Yisroel"
-"Yidden should beseige a shul, and the people inside should be afraid they're going to be killed? Yidden? Pesulei Eidus! Mechalilei Shabbos! …It's a stain on the whole nation!"
-The claim "it was spontaneous": Kristalnach from the German point of view: We were nirdafim, the Jews were after them, they were sovel, it was terrible, they couldn't anymore. They waited for a ruse. The assassination of a German diplomat in Paris by a jewish boy. The German goverment announced in code: We cant take the achrayus of containing those people who were outraged by what the jews did here and there, we won't be able to contain them anymore."
So too here. Some one did something. It's not clear what exactly was the "great avla" that he did. Comes a "rav" says "Nisbakashti limsor Meis HaVaad Haelyonim (they're not elyonim - they're underworld people!) Limsor: that we have acted till now with so much savlonus...such restraint, everyone knows, they've been rodef us we've been niddafim...." [You remember these nirdafim, 10 rabbanim came to America when Rav Shaul was here, because they were Nirdafim...R' Shaul must of been killing people left and right, they were such nirdafim they had to come from eretz yisroel with the hatzalah...], we are nirdafim, and therefore we can't stop people..." and the code was very clear, and from this came the...
-they have no shame? These are Yidden? A rav?, a Vaada? and bachurim and yungerlite standing, hitting, going into peoples house...makkos retzach...Rachmone Letzlan!!!
-what's worse? this, or what's been going on the last few years?
-the fact that there is an orginization in klal yisreol like yeasfeini is a stain on the whole nation. an ORGINISATION that befriends children that they manged to catch, keep away from their parents, Mechanech a gantze dor not to speak to thier father or mother because they (father/mother) chose a different derech, cut off from this one, not to go to simchas...and these are pekudos that you cant tell me are not true because they've PRINTED them, and sent them in Robocalls...Have they no shame?
-there's a musag in klal yisroel of Mishkal - some times you need to do somthing, but knowing when, and how . (story of the Sar Shalom, who's elderly mother was only willing to eat what her Shalom'ke ate. On peasach he ate gebrochts, so she would eat the matza). Right, the kavod of the rebbe is very, very important. But for this you couse an almana pain? Metzaer Yesomim? Pekudos, everything lo plug, no exceptions. estranging children from their parents. people are crying. Every tear from a yid, SHaarei Dimaos Lo Yinalu...Shrekt zach nisht? (have you no fear?) no pachad? You think this isn't going to come back to haunt you? You think you're not going to suffer? The torah says "shmoe eshma tzakaso...".....people are crying....(and they say) "its gornisht, WE"RE nirdafim, they're rodfim!", what is this jokes? this is a game? They won't have nachas from their children, that I can say. Kinder that were torn from their parents, sitting on mizrach, getting kavod becuase people are telling them it's the right thing to do...not to go to their mothers levaya, fathers levaya...and then in 20 years time you'll have volumes of yaldei ger, malshinim(?). It'll come to haunt them. A child must have a father, a mother, yasmus is a tragedy. It's not going to end well for them. The RbS"O doesn't give siyata dishmaya for such things. It's not a mehalach!
-difference between the two side.
       -Sometimes a minority controls. This Vaade has a few eidel yidden, they can't say anything, they can't stand up to it...one is mechazek the other, this must be the right thing to do, and they quell their guilty conscience, to bring out the lowest element in people.
       -The other eida. Rav Shaul demands Romemus Hanefesh, he demands it, talks about it, lives with it. he refuses to speak negatively. He himself is a Groise Mentch, a talmid chochom amiti, he is a baal madreiga, and kederech haRuchnius its mashpia on all his people. They're the same people, they come from the same crowd, why are the so different? On this side there's a "vaade" and on this side there's a adam gadol who demands romemus from his tzibur..... Abaal kishron nifla.... and people connect with him and are mashpia ltov
-You're eida creates that people need to make gomel with shem/malchus and you make a joke about it...pasuk in navi yeshaya you don't want to understand because then you'll need to do teshuva...the r eibishter sees all
-this has to be something that doesn't happen in klal yisreol, a one time aberration...
-maybe this happened to publicize Rav shaul to the rest of klal Yisroel. There are many great chassidishe RY that the rest of the world doesnt hear of (brought examples...), mistome by chassidim they've never heard of R' Nachum...
-his misnagdim are causing his growth in the world...(mashal like tzefardeia was spread by the metzriim themselfs)
-what is this vaade worried about? he doesn't want to be rebbe. he want's to be a RY. The greatest kavod for Ger would have been for him to be their RY!
-you see in his the gadlus of a talmid chacham amiti, not intrested in the pettyness of lo sikom v'lo sitor...
-how sad it is that the hemshech of the gadlus of pshischa and kotzke has become...mesiras nefesh for narishkeiten...madeup stories...
-how Rav Shilo Raphael (from Mosad Harav Kook - grandson of Rav Maimon - Mizrachi) became a Gerer chossid...

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2022, 03:52:20 PM »
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #161 on: June 09, 2022, 04:16:33 PM »
Mincha, anyone?
only ppl who dont hit can join

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #162 on: June 09, 2022, 04:22:45 PM »
but sorry, his Rebbitzen is deeply involved in (at least some of) the cases of seperateing families; so go find another bridge to sell me.
maybe the gerrer rebbe is a gerrer, so he doesnt talk to his wife

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #163 on: June 09, 2022, 04:53:07 PM »
Not called for. That’s exactly the type of bashing we don’t need on this thread.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #164 on: June 09, 2022, 06:34:21 PM »
Who should I be talking about this to, and in what setting?
To a client, friend or business associate just because he happens to define himself as a Gerrer

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #165 on: June 09, 2022, 06:52:40 PM »

Why would he want to lose a client, friend, or business associate? Those aren't really the right settings.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #166 on: June 09, 2022, 07:17:40 PM »
Why would he want to lose a client, friend, or business associate? Those aren't really the right settings.
perhaps that's what we need to put on the line in order to stand up for whats right.
or are we too weak?

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #167 on: June 09, 2022, 07:17:58 PM »
Why would he want to lose a client, friend, or business associate? Those aren't really the right settings.

Especially when one has no knowledge of where that person is holding.

I believe (maybe I am naïve) that a vast majority of Gerrers, whether supporters of RSA or not, are pained by the events. Why pour salt over open wounds?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #168 on: June 09, 2022, 07:35:42 PM »
Not called for. That’s exactly the type of bashing we don’t need on this thread.
sorry if it was taken the wrong way, was not meant in any way to bash anyone
was meant purely as leitzonus

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #169 on: June 09, 2022, 07:46:07 PM »
Before you start judging you need to look at the bigger picture
maybe they registered as democrats where this behavior are considered peaceful, I'm sure we don't have all the details

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #170 on: June 09, 2022, 10:10:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/moshe_nayes/status/1534979974196867074

More are speaking up. Mainstream Rabbanim of Minchas Yitzchak, including Belz.
This is not in regards to the original pogrom. Rav Daniel alter, the brother of R’ Shaul was assaulted Shavuos night on the way to shul.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #171 on: June 09, 2022, 10:30:47 PM »
Rabosai, its 'pogrom', not 'progrom'.

A progrom is what a bad software developer makes.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #172 on: June 09, 2022, 10:39:32 PM »
Rabosai, its 'pogrom', not 'progrom'.

A progrom is what a bad software developer makes.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #173 on: June 10, 2022, 12:09:42 AM »
Sorry, I don't care if he's a talmid chacham and a tzadik, the buck stops with him.
He's responsible for what HIS people do in HIS name.
Don't think anybody considers the Gerrer Rebbe a Talmid chacham.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #174 on: June 10, 2022, 02:11:57 AM »
Rabosai, its 'pogrom', not 'progrom'.

A progrom is what a bad software developer makes.
google auto edit is a pogrom

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #175 on: June 10, 2022, 09:47:10 AM »
OMG. Sorry to publicly disparage you, but if I've ever seen the textbook definition of a Chasid Shoiteh it would be this post.
I think there are more effective ways to make your point.

The poster asked for a source, you replied with a fake apology and an insult. That's not going to convince anybody of your point.
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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #176 on: June 10, 2022, 10:06:36 AM »
Are you a troll?

I don't know that he is, but he has a fair point. I don't believe patchkavillim either. Just thinking of 2 patchkavillim I can across around 10 years ago. One saying "the ban against ____ is over" the other stating "the ban continues!".
Same date and signed by 3 of the same rabbanim.
The only patchkivillim I trust, are those announcing that somebody died, and even then, just the fact that the person died.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2022, 10:08:39 AM »
I thought that once 3 people know about it, it isn't loshon hara anymore
That's a different heter and it's not as simple as that.
If you are supposed to be mocheh, it's a different ballgame.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #178 on: June 10, 2022, 10:13:45 AM »
If you think trashing a whole chassidus on Dans Deals is gonna fix anything, your only fooling yourself. Lets leave it for the big guns, (which it seems from some of these posts, that there are many of them,) to deal with the issue.
If you must speak it al pi halacha, it's not loshon hara.

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Re: Rav Uren Reich: "We must talk about what happened in Ger"
« Reply #179 on: June 10, 2022, 10:14:35 AM »
As I mentioned before, there is a difference between leaders who have a חובת מחאה and simpletons who write on DDF. Obviously if there is anyone who has first hand knowledge and acquaintance with someone who transgressed, that person might also be required to be מוחה.
source?