Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim

[ushdadude]

Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?

[moko]

Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?

impossible. There's no consensus.
If a shliach is wise, and many are, they would get the backing/approval (not certification-that's often not feasible) of either the local Kashrus agency (if reliable) or a national agency.

[aygart]

t the backing/approval (not certification-that's often not feasible) of either the local Kashrus agency (if reliable) or a national agency.

What would such an arrangement look like?

[Kryptonite]

Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?

Thanks for bringing this up - I often wondered about this

[JMHO]

Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?

Which Chabad houses are reliable or which Chabad houses have reliable Kashrus?

[ushdadude]

Which Chabad houses are reliable or which Chabad houses have reliable Kashrus?

What's the difference?

[Yehuda57]

What's the difference?

I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter

[ushdadude]

I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter

would the former effect the latter?

[Euclid]

I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter

Or reliable for their minyanim

[PlatinumGuy]

I thought he was differentiating between Kashrus on site and qualification as a Kashrus agency for those like Dubai, Bangkok, and Singapore that offer that as well.

[Yehuda57]

In answer to OP, no there is no "specific standard" or list. If you want to differentiate between

Kashrus on site and qualification as a Kashrus agency for those like Dubai, Bangkok, and Singapore that offer that as well.

The former would be relied upon just as any other hechsher. Go to CRC or whichever hechsher you trust to see if they are on their lists.
The latter would be relied upon just as you would rely on any frum person you might visit who you don't know. You can be sure of certain things like chalav Yisroel.

[ushdadude]

In answer to OP, no there is no "specific standard" or list. If you want to differentiate between

The former would be relied upon just as any other hechsher. Go to CRC or whichever hechsher you trust to see if they are on their lists.
The latter would be relied upon just as you would rely on any frum person you might visit who you don't know. You can be sure of certain things like chalav Yisroel.

Don't think that works if they are selling food.

[Yehuda57]

Don't think that works if they are selling food.

Why not?

[jj1000]

Why not?

Yep, worked for thousands of years when Jews traveled. Not sure what changed.

You ever heard the story of the yid traveling through a harsh winter storm to finally find a an inn run by a yid. But he couldn't eat there because it wasn't under the OU

[PlatinumGuy]

Don't think that works if they are selling food.

No issue of נוגע in things that עד אחד neeman.

[Yehuda57]

Yep, worked for thousands of years when Jews traveled. Not sure what changed.

You ever heard the story of the yid traveling through a harsh winter storm to finally find a an inn run by a yid. But he couldn't eat there because it wasn't under the OU

Of course, a commercial kitchen of today isn't the same as an inn of yesteryear, but even so, you'd be hard pressed to find a shliach who's "commercial" operation is not just a very busy version of his personal kitchen.

I've likely posted this before, but there was a pizza store in CH that didn't have a hechsher. I asked my father (who ran a hechsher for 40+ years and was aware of the potential issues as much as anyone) and he said, "would you eat in the owner's house?"
"Yes."
"Then you can eat his pizza."

[aygart]

No issue of נוגע in things that עד אחד neeman.

Although this would be where the tvuos shor would come into play.

מסכת עבודה זרה לט ע״ב

[PlatinumGuy]

Of course, a commercial kitchen of today isn't the same as an inn of yesteryear

Probably much more sanitary and Kosher

[aygart]

Probably much more sanitary and Kosher

Almost definitely more sanitary, but the systems in some commercial kitchens are somewhat error prone for some aspects of kashrus unless someone is dealing with that aspect specifically.

[Yehuda57]

Probably much more sanitary

Probably

and Kosher

I feel like we've had variations on this argument before, but you are extremely wrong IMHO. What real-world experience do you have doing hashgacha work in commercial kitchens, and what type of kitchens are we talking about? restaurants, caterers, factories?