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Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« on: July 25, 2022, 12:09:18 PM »
Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2022, 12:43:48 PM »
Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?
impossible. There's no consensus.
If a shliach is wise, and many are, they would get the backing/approval (not certification-that's often not feasible) of either the local Kashrus agency (if reliable) or a national agency.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2022, 01:01:44 PM »
t the backing/approval (not certification-that's often not feasible) of either the local Kashrus agency (if reliable) or a national agency.

What would such an arrangement look like?
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2022, 01:17:06 PM »
Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?
Thanks for bringing this up - I often wondered about this
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2022, 01:23:21 PM »
Is there a way of knowing which chabad houses (official or not) are reliable? Is there a specific standard they all follow? Is there a list?
Which Chabad houses are reliable or which Chabad houses have reliable Kashrus?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2022, 01:23:48 PM »
Which Chabad houses are reliable or which Chabad houses have reliable Kashrus?
What's the difference?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2022, 01:47:55 PM »
What's the difference?

I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2022, 01:50:31 PM »
I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter
would the former effect the latter?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2022, 01:51:44 PM »
I'm guessing he's referring to ideology/hashkafah in the former and food in the latter
Or reliable for their minyanim ;)

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2022, 02:04:52 PM »
I thought he was differentiating between Kashrus on site and qualification as a Kashrus agency for those like Dubai, Bangkok, and Singapore that offer that as well.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2022, 02:26:54 PM »
In answer to OP, no there is no "specific standard" or list. If you want to differentiate between

Kashrus on site and qualification as a Kashrus agency for those like Dubai, Bangkok, and Singapore that offer that as well.

The former would be relied upon just as any other hechsher. Go to CRC or whichever hechsher you trust to see if they are on their lists.
The latter would be relied upon just as you would rely on any frum person you might visit who you don't know. You can be sure of certain things like chalav Yisroel.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2022, 02:37:22 PM »
In answer to OP, no there is no "specific standard" or list. If you want to differentiate between

The former would be relied upon just as any other hechsher. Go to CRC or whichever hechsher you trust to see if they are on their lists.
The latter would be relied upon just as you would rely on any frum person you might visit who you don't know. You can be sure of certain things like chalav Yisroel.
Don't think that works if they are selling food.

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2022, 02:52:15 PM »
Don't think that works if they are selling food.

Why not?

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2022, 04:41:43 PM »
Why not?

Yep, worked for thousands of years when Jews traveled. Not sure what changed.

You ever heard the story of the yid traveling through a harsh winter storm to finally find a an inn run by a yid. But he couldn't eat there because it wasn't under the OU ;)
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2022, 05:02:53 PM »
Don't think that works if they are selling food.
No issue of נוגע in things that עד אחד neeman.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2022, 05:06:31 PM »
Yep, worked for thousands of years when Jews traveled. Not sure what changed.

You ever heard the story of the yid traveling through a harsh winter storm to finally find a an inn run by a yid. But he couldn't eat there because it wasn't under the OU ;)

Of course, a commercial kitchen of today isn't the same as an inn of yesteryear, but even so, you'd be hard pressed to find a shliach who's "commercial" operation is not just a very busy version of his personal kitchen.

I've likely posted this before, but there was a pizza store in CH that didn't have a hechsher. I asked my father (who ran a hechsher for 40+ years and was aware of the potential issues as much as anyone) and he said, "would you eat in the owner's house?"
"Yes."
"Then you can eat his pizza."

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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2022, 05:07:03 PM »
No issue of נוגע in things that עד אחד neeman.
Although this would be where the tvuos shor would come into play.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2022, 05:09:35 PM »
Of course, a commercial kitchen of today isn't the same as an inn of yesteryear
Probably much more sanitary and Kosher
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2022, 05:14:22 PM »
Probably much more sanitary and Kosher
Almost definitely more sanitary, but the systems in some commercial kitchens are somewhat error prone for some aspects of kashrus unless someone is dealing with that aspect specifically.
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Re: Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2022, 05:14:42 PM »
Probably much more sanitary

Probably

and Kosher

I feel like we've had variations on this argument before, but you are extremely wrong IMHO. What real-world experience do you have doing hashgacha work in commercial kitchens, and what type of kitchens are we talking about? restaurants, caterers, factories?