Kashrus of Chabad Shluchim

[Lurker]

You do realize many non-Chabad don’t know this, so they have no way of knowing it’s sarcasm without the /s emoji or someone explaining.

I know, but I also know who I'm talking to 

[ushdadude]

**There is no central funding.


There is a central organization that declares someone a shliach or not.

Is there a way to know which are sanctioned?

[Lurker]

Is there a way to know which are sanctioned?

Sanctioned for what?

[Yehuda57]

Is there a way to know which are sanctioned?

If they're on chabad.org
https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/

[Euclid]

Sanctioned for what?

(Sanction when used as a verb/adverb is one of those words that have 2 opposing meanings. English ftw.

"My mother sanctioned me to drive her car."

"Iran is sanctioned by the US.")

[ushdadude]

Sanctioned for what?

I remember reading somewhere here about unofficial chabad houses

[Lurker]

I remember reading somewhere here about unofficial chabad houses

Ah. Yea,

If they're on chabad.org
https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/

[ushdadude]

If they're on chabad.org
https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/

So does this threads discussion only apply to official houses?

[jj1000]

So does this threads discussion only apply to official houses?

No.

[jj1000]

@Yehuda57 Do you find your signature helps people read your posts with /s or no noticeable difference?

You do realize many non-Chabad don’t know this, so they have no way of knowing it’s sarcasm without the /s emoji or someone explaining.

I know I apologize, but to be fair, I was talking to Yehuda57, who definitely understood the /s in my post.

[jj1000]

Bottom line, the legal trademark of Chabad is what the "central merkos office" aka Suite 302, can potentially control. BUT there are no standards the local shluchim have to adhere to PER SE once they go on shlichus.

But it's safe to make assumptions of their standards as they wouldn't be on shlichus without meeting them. Such as many listed in this thread.

And if a shliach or someone else reported on a rabbi that didn't keep halacha, I would imagine they wouldn't be on shlichus much longer, but I don't recall ever hearing a story like that.

Mind you, I've never been on shlichus so a shliach of which many are on here can speak to this more accurately than me.

[AsherO]

@Yehuda57 Do you find your signature helps people read your posts with /s or no noticeable difference?
I know I apologize, but to be fair, I was talking to Yehuda57, who definitely understood the /s in my post.

People with whose ability to discern sarcasm is poor might also struggle to make that inference from Y57’s signature.

[ushdadude]

Bottom line, the legal trademark of Chabad is what the "central merkos office" aka Suite 302, can potentially control. BUT there are no standards the local shluchim have to adhere to PER SE once they go on shlichus.

But it's safe to make assumptions of their standards as they wouldn't be on shlichus without meeting them. Such as many listed in this thread.

And if a shliach or someone else reported on a rabbi that didn't keep halacha, I would imagine they wouldn't be on shlichus much longer, but I don't recall ever hearing a story like that.

Mind you, I've never been on shlichus so a shliach of which many are on here can speak to this more accurately than me.

So now I'm confused. How does this apply to an unofficial house?

[jj1000]

So now I'm confused. How does this apply to an unofficial house?

What are we applying?

Kashrus standards of people that make a life choice to go on shlichus? It would be no different if it's officially sanctioned with a trademark or not.

[ushdadude]

What are we applying?

Kashrus standards of people that make a life choice to go on shlichus? It would be no different if it's officially sanctioned with a trademark or not.

I guess I don't understand how it works. I assume the main office sends qualified people to places they see a need. Why would someone open an unofficial house without approval? If they see a need somewhere why can't they request approval?

[ExGingi]

I guess I don't understand how it works. I assume the main office sends qualified people to places they see a need. Why would someone open an unofficial house without approval? If they see a need somewhere why can't they request approval?

Do you want the big axe wielded here too?

[Dan]

Why would someone open an unofficial house without approval?

I did.
#MushroomsFTW 

[Yehuda57]

I guess I don't understand how it works. I assume the main office sends qualified people to places they see a need. Why would someone open an unofficial house without approval? If they see a need somewhere why can't they request approval?

The official umbrella organization that "sends out" Shluchim is called Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch. Merkos appointed "head shluchim" for various regions. Rabbi Cunin runs California, Rabbi Korf Florida, etc. They hire Shluchim for the various mosdos and cities within their region. Those Shluchim can in turn hire Shluchim to run even more local centers or programs/mosdos within that Chabad House. Shliach oseh Shliach... Decisions about policies and protocols are made at a local level with local Rabonim, or other Rabonim can be brought in if needed to help with disputes. Each Chabad center is locally funded. So if you go to a small Chabad House in California, they aren't getting funding from Merkos or Rabbi Cunin.

Why would someone open an unofficial Chabad House? Plenty of reasons. An existing Shliach gets into a dispute with their "head Shliach" and instead of leaving, continues operating just without being recognized. Or they just couldn't be bothered to go the official route and want to run their own thing. Maybe they want to open a new place in an underserved area but couldn't work things out and decided to go ahead with it anyway.

As for how this applies to this thread: there is no official policy or protocols set out by Merkos for Shluchim to follow for their catering/restaurants/Chabad Houses. So it wouldn't make a difference if the Chabad House was sanctioned or not, it is the same question of whether or not you trust the guy.

[jj1000]

I guess I don't understand how it works. I assume the main office sends qualified people to places they see a need. Why would someone open an unofficial house without approval? If they see a need somewhere why can't they request approval?

Simply put the central office doesn't have that type of power. While it can be the case for locations without a current shliach, for example Antarctica. But a location that already has a shliach, they can't just send someone there.

So for example Hawaii doesn't have a shliach on Lanai, but if someone wanted to go there under Chabad trademark they'd need to get approval from the shliach in Honolulu, if they can't get approval, they can go open a shul themselves. That doesn't speak at all to their level of kashrus.

[jj1000]

The official umbrella organization that "sends out" Shluchim is called Merkos L'Inyonei Chinuch. Merkos appointed "head shluchim" for various regions. Rabbi Cunin runs California, Rabbi Korf Florida, etc. They hire Shluchim for the various mosdos and cities within their region. Those Shluchim can in turn hire Shluchim to run even more local centers or programs/mosdos within that Chabad House. Shliach oseh Shliach... Decisions about policies and protocols are made at a local level with local Rabonim, or other Rabonim can be brought in if needed to help with disputes. Each Chabad center is locally funded. So if you go to a small Chabad House in California, they aren't getting funding from Merkos or Rabbi Cunin.

Why would someone open an unofficial Chabad House? Plenty of reasons. An existing Shliach gets into a dispute with their "head Shliach" and instead of leaving, continues operating just without being recognized. Or they just couldn't be bothered to go the official route and want to run their own thing. Maybe they want to open a new place in an underserved area but couldn't work things out and decided to go ahead with it anyway.

As for how this applies to this thread: there is no official policy or protocols set out by Merkos for Shluchim to follow for their catering/restaurants/Chabad Houses. So it wouldn't make a difference if the Chabad House was sanctioned or not, it is the same question of whether or not you trust the guy.

You had to type all this while I was typing!

Can we please add a member is typing feature in threads from now on. (I know you can see it here)

TIA @mods.