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Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« on: August 07, 2022, 01:18:26 PM »
Tisha B'av is essentially Holocaust Remembrance Day as well.
As part of the "younger generation" (my parents and grandparents were for the most part born after the Holocaust) I didn't grow up hearing personal accounts of survivors, so its even more important for me to attempt to internalize this tragedy for myself and my children.
Last Tisha B'av I came across this compilation of actual footage of the horrors that happened. אינו דומה שמיעה לראייה, it was literally life altering for me.
So I'm sharing it here, it's not for the faint of heart. Or perhaps it is.
Because we must never forget.
זכור ד׳ מה היה לנו
יפקדם אלקים בארצות החיים ועדי עד זכרם לברכה

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000182
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War Department Information Film showing German concentration camps and victims of Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka, Belsen, Buchenwald, and other camps. Originally made with a German soundtrack for screening in occupied Germany and Austria, this film was the first documentary to show what the Allies found when they liberated the Nazi camps: the survivors, the conditions, and the evidence of mass murder. The film includes accounts of the economic aspects of the camps' operation, the interrogation of captured camp personnel, and the enforced visits of the inhabitants of neighboring towns, who, along with the rest of their compatriots, are blamed for complicity in the Nazi crimes.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2022, 02:01:34 PM »
https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum

They put names & faces to the victims.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2022, 03:21:21 PM »
https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum

They put names & faces to the victims.


This really drives home the fact that there are probably hundreds of thousands of people who were completely erased from this earth, without any semblance of a memory

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2022, 03:26:51 PM »
Tisha B'av is essentially Holocaust Remembrance Day as well.
As part of the "younger generation" (my parents and grandparents were for the most part born after the Holocaust) I didn't grow up hearing personal accounts of survivors, so its even more important for me to attempt to internalize this tragedy for myself and my children.
Last Tisha B'av I came across this compilation of actual footage of the horrors that happened. אינו דומה שמיעה לראייה, it was literally life altering for me.
So I'm sharing it here, it's not for the faint of heart. Or perhaps it is.
Because we must never forget.
זכור ד׳ מה היה לנו
יפקדם אלקים בארצות החיים ועדי עד זכרם לברכה

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000182
This seems to be the same thing with some introduction and background:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?400657-1/nazi-concentration-prison-camps#

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2022, 04:11:16 PM »
My grandfather's aunt (she passed away a couple years ago. Childless. She was "experimented" on) described how in the cattle cars on the way to the camps they sang the following haunting melody:

In His Judgment G-D is righteous           גאט אין זיין  משפט איז גירעכט
No one can say G-D is bad           קיינער קען נישט זאגין גאט איז שלעכט
He doesn't do injustice to anyone         אום רעכט טוט עאר קיינער נישט
In His Judgment G-D is righteous            גאט אין זיין משפט איז גירעכט

לך ד' הצדקה
ועד יום אחרון הצדיקו דין, ואף אני מאמין ענו, ושרו שירת בטחון
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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2022, 08:26:29 PM »
This seems to be the same thing with some introduction and background:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?400657-1/nazi-concentration-prison-camps#
Wow. I never saw such footage before. Only pictures.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2022, 08:30:53 PM »
Wow. I never saw such footage before. Only pictures.
Me too. I watched half. Very very difficult.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2022, 09:44:45 PM »
Wow. I never saw such footage before. Only pictures.
It’s crazy just how real it makes it. I walked around in a daze for weeks, hopelessly enraged that I was born too late to help track down those animals and throttle them. It triggered me to do a deep genealogy search to find out exactly what happened to my ancestors that were alive at the time. For all I know some of them are in the video. They disappeared without a trace, and we have no pictures of them. And at least I now know the names of some of my relatives that were murdered and have no surviving children. If I and my family don’t memorialize them, who will?

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2022, 04:18:59 PM »


Has background music

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2022, 04:23:18 PM »


Has background music

Perhaps apropos to post on Chanuka - even in the darkest times we keep the faith and emerge after living through unimaginable evil and rebuild.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2023, 02:59:30 PM »
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/memory-of-the-camps/

not for the faint of heart.

(some inappropiate scenes tznius wise that need to be skipped)

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2024, 01:48:31 AM »
Very detailed account from WWII and life in the concentration camp, by Rav Yeshua Greenwald - the Chist'er Rov. Not for the faint of heart.

https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=10016#p=3&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2024, 01:44:39 AM »
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/memory-of-the-camps/

(some inappropiate scenes tznius wise that need to be skipped)
Impossible to watch.. I cannot believe my grandfather literally lived there..
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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2024, 07:40:12 PM »
Wish this would have English subtitles:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/2302764/watch-rare-fascinating-footage-released-of-bobover-rebbe-ztl-recounting-his-harrowing-holocaust-rescue.html
You really don't understand Yiddish? He speaks very clearly and btw, it's pretty cool that he speaks about 5 languages in this video and doesn't have an accent in any of them, even English.

There is a tape of Reb Naftulische talking about more of their trials and tribulations throughout the Holocaust.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2024, 07:43:27 PM »
You really don't understand Yiddish?
I am not fluent in Yiddish, and what I do know is with a Lithuanian accent. All together it is too much effort trying to translate to myself, and still not getting everything.

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2024, 08:17:53 PM »
The Holocaust tribute from the siyum hashas (maybe 2 times ago) opens the floodgates for me without fail. I usually end up watching it most years on Tisha bav before or after saying the kinnos from the Bobover Rebbe and R Schwab.

https://youtu.be/XLbUdkMnNh4?feature=shared

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2024, 08:41:03 PM »
You really don't understand Yiddish? He speaks very clearly and btw, it's pretty cool that he speaks about 5 languages in this video and doesn't have an accent in any of them, even English.

There is a tape of Reb Naftulische talking about more of their trials and tribulations throughout the Holocaust.

Surprisingly even his Galityaner yiddish is pretty light. If you ever listened to Reb Yankele you know the difference. It's interesting because in his family even ones from later generations have a stronger galitzyaner accent. (Like his nephew Reb Chaim Shea Halberstam of Satmar Monsey who has a very strong galitziyen accent)

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Re: Tisha B’av and the Holocaust
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2024, 08:49:55 PM »
I am not fluent in Yiddish, and what I do know is with a Lithuanian accent. All together it is too much effort trying to translate to myself, and still not getting everything.

You didn't listen to shiurim in Yiddish? You didn't make it to the ivy leagues? ;)