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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #520 on: August 16, 2022, 04:17:00 PM »
There is no evidence the passports were stolen. The DOJ/FBI did not comment on the situation at all. We seem to have many experts here on what the search warrant did and didn't cover. At this point the only side caught in lies several times is the Trump side.   

If you mean stolen literally then that is true. If you are including taken in any way then there is the email, but I guess that could have been forged. There are numerous networks reporting their return independently. But I guess it can all be fake news.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #521 on: August 16, 2022, 04:22:38 PM »
If you mean stolen literally then that is true. If you are including taken in any way then there is the email, but I guess that could have been forged. There are numerous networks reporting their return independently. But I guess it can all be fake news.
I am not disputing they have/had the passports. There was nothing illegal done and using the word "stolen" insinuates there was.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #522 on: August 16, 2022, 04:30:30 PM »
Was the seizure of the passports authorized by the search warrant? IINAL, but based on my reading of the warrant the only way they would be is if they were stored together with things that they were authorized to take.

If not, why would this not be considered "stolen"?
I read the warrant that way too, but it makes sense that he would store his passport with other important papers.  Not everyone stores their passport in their underwear drawer.

Runs to check if it's still there.

And I don't know if it would be considered "stolen", because it's not his property.

§ 51.7 Passport property of the U.S. Government.

(a) A passport at all times remains the property of the United States and must be returned to the U.S. Government upon demand.

(b) Law enforcement authorities who take possession of a passport for use in an investigation or prosecution must return the passport to the Department on completion of the investigation and/or prosecution.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-22/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-51/subpart-A/section-51.7

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #524 on: August 16, 2022, 05:40:13 PM »
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #525 on: August 16, 2022, 06:04:09 PM »
I read the warrant that way too, but it makes sense that he would store his passport with other important papers.  Not everyone stores their passport in their underwear drawer.

Runs to check if it's still there.

And I don't know if it would be considered "stolen", because it's not his property.

§ 51.7 Passport property of the U.S. Government.

(a) A passport at all times remains the property of the United States and must be returned to the U.S. Government upon demand.

(b) Law enforcement authorities who take possession of a passport for use in an investigation or prosecution must return the passport to the Department on completion of the investigation and/or prosecution.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-22/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-51/subpart-A/section-51.7

Again with the diyukim! So now the DOJ stole the passports, but not from Trump - from the Department of State! What a twist

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #526 on: August 16, 2022, 06:05:29 PM »
Again with the diyukim! So now the DOJ stole the passports, but not from Trump - from the Department of State! What a twist
They didn't steal anything!!!

“In executing search warrants, the FBI follows search and seizure procedures ordered by courts, then returns items that do not need to be retained for law enforcement purposes,” the FBI said.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #528 on: August 16, 2022, 06:29:28 PM »
Steal: take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #529 on: August 16, 2022, 06:31:38 PM »
Again with the diyukim! So now the DOJ stole the passports, but not from Trump - from the Department of State! What a twist
  A dybbuk? Where? 

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #530 on: August 16, 2022, 06:34:02 PM »
  A dybbuk? Where?
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #531 on: August 16, 2022, 06:37:35 PM »
Steal: take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Intent to return precludes stealing? So it is not stealing for someone to show up and take your car and return it ant the end of the day?
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #532 on: August 16, 2022, 06:45:48 PM »
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #533 on: August 16, 2022, 08:56:13 PM »
Did the DOJ let Trump know about his passports before his "stolen" claim.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #537 on: August 16, 2022, 11:32:34 PM »
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #538 on: August 17, 2022, 01:06:49 AM »
Intent to return precludes stealing? So it is not stealing for someone to show up and take your car and return it ant the end of the day?

If they had intent to return it, they wouldn’t be allowed to take it in the first place.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2022, 03:09:34 AM by yuneeq »
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #539 on: August 17, 2022, 01:47:12 AM »
Intent to return precludes stealing? So it is not stealing for someone to show up and take your car and return it ant the end of the day?
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