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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #140 on: August 10, 2022, 08:55:04 AM »
Everyone is caught up on this being served on an ex-president. Get over it.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #141 on: August 10, 2022, 08:59:46 AM »
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #142 on: August 10, 2022, 09:11:11 AM »
...and there is the problem.

It should not be ignored.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #143 on: August 10, 2022, 09:14:31 AM »
It should not be ignored.
No one is ignoring it. If anything, we should be proud that no one is above the law. You are getting caught up in the spin from both sides.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #144 on: August 10, 2022, 09:17:19 AM »
No one is ignoring it. If anything, we should be proud that no one is above the law. You are getting caught up in the spin from both sides.

It is also rife for corruption of targeting an opponent.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #145 on: August 10, 2022, 09:20:34 AM »
It is also rife for corruption of targeting an opponent.
That is a possibility with no basis at this time.
Again you are buying the media spin that he is an opponent.
By your logic any potential candidate is an opponent?
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #146 on: August 10, 2022, 09:27:40 AM »
While all this going on: Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) says that the FBI confiscated his cell phone after three agents approached him while he was traveling with his family on Tuesday.

I guess no big deal.  :)
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #147 on: August 10, 2022, 09:52:12 AM »
Let's see if I have this right.
First he attacks the press.
Then he attacks the DOJ.
And now he attacks our great country.
We are told to ignore all of them and believe him.
The sad part is there are millions stupid enough to go along with that.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #148 on: August 10, 2022, 10:20:48 AM »
Trump had his home searched, not raided. 

When 30 people walk into your house uninvited and start searching the place that is a raid.

This redefining words to meet an agenda is getting tiresome

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #149 on: August 10, 2022, 10:35:35 AM »
First he attacks the press.

The same constitution that gives freedom to the press gives him the freedom to say what he wants about them. And there is an argument to be made that his predecessor did more as president in limiting press freedom to certain outlets than he actually did as president, his inflammatory rhetoric notwithstanding.

Then he attacks the DOJ.

He's hardly the first, and hardly the last.

And now he attacks our great country.

In your opinion. Plenty would say he is the last person actually defending it.

We are told to ignore all of them and believe him.
The sad part is there are millions stupid enough to go along with that.

I would argue that beyond the bubbles of Trump support, if anyone is "being told" anything, it is that Trump is attacking the country and guilty of all the worst crimes imaginable. It's no wonder his supporters will be blind to evidence of him doing such things when there were so many hyperbolic claims made for years that didn't pan out.

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I do agree the whole thing is sad. Do you really expect his supporters to see the FBI search his home and think, "Oh wow! The guy who got railroaded by the press and his opponents is getting searched? he must have done something wrong!" IF the FBI, Jan 6 commission, and anyone else announced they found nothing criminal and Trump is cleared of any wrongdoing, are you going to accept that or will you think, "the man is guilty as sin, but they just don't have enough to actually charge him or aren't willing to deal with the fallout"?


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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #150 on: August 10, 2022, 10:40:27 AM »
When 30 people walk into your house uninvited and start searching the place that is a raid.

This redefining words to meet an agenda is getting tiresome

Quick Google search says אין בין רייד וסערטש אלא סורפרייז בלבד. This whole attempt to make a distinction is a red herring. Either they told them they were coming or they didn't.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #151 on: August 10, 2022, 10:40:41 AM »

This redefining words to meet an agenda is getting tiresome
Agreed.  Trump should just stop doing it.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #152 on: August 10, 2022, 10:46:57 AM »
When 30 people walk into your house uninvited and start searching the place that is a raid.

This redefining words to meet an agenda is getting tiresome
Have you ever been involved in a raid or search? If you have then should know the difference. 
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #153 on: August 10, 2022, 10:47:34 AM »
Agreed.  Trump should just stop doing it.

What was the difference between this search and the Manafort/Stone searches that this was not a raid?

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #154 on: August 10, 2022, 10:48:28 AM »
In your opinion. Plenty would say he is the last person actually defending it.
Call us a third world country or banana republic is not defending it IMHO, but what do I know.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2022, 10:52:00 AM »
What was the difference between this search and the Manafort/Stone searches that this was not a raid?

Secret service was notified in advance.
Agents didn't enter in uniform or with guns drawn.
Trump was not awakened at 4 AM and sent to stand on the golf course in his PJs.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2022, 10:52:45 AM »
Call us a third world country or banana republic is not defending it IMHO, but what do I know.

every president in history has criticized the country in some measure, as have you, and as you should. He's saying it is a banana republic he wants to fix! (and his narcissistic mind, *only* he can fix it). I disagree with him, as do many millions.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2022, 10:55:23 AM »
every president in history has criticized the country in some measure,
Saying we should do more on crime is criticizing it. Calling us a TWC or BR goes way past that.
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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2022, 10:59:38 AM »
Saying we should do more on crime is criticizing it. Calling us a TWC or BR goes way past that.
+1. As Trump says, if you hate America so much get the h*ll out of here.

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Re: FBI Raids Mar A Lago
« Reply #159 on: August 10, 2022, 11:00:27 AM »
Secret service was notified in advance.
Agents didn't enter in uniform or with guns drawn.
Trump was not awakened at 4 AM and sent to stand on the golf course in his PJs.
Trump isn’t there. He’s at his place in NJ this time of the summer.
If you know the job of the secret service it’s quite obvious why they were notified.
Once inside it was your typical raid. They spent over 9 hours there & went through the entire place.