Are you an election denier?

[CountValentine]

Seems some are oblivious to the fact there are 25-30mm unbanked/underbanked people in this country. A checking/savings account is easy to get. Now don't start with the questions why they don't have an account. I am just giving you the facts.

[CountValentine]

Yes there was Russian interference and they then spent 4 years on the hoax that Trump colluded with them.

"Hoax" are you one of them? Is the Durham investigation a bigger "hoax" then?

[aygart]

"Hoax" are you one of them? Is the Durham investigation a bigger "hoax" then?

The connection to Trump was absolutely a hoax. There was zero indication of it other than the stuff the Clinton campaign made up and the lies consistently repeated by Schiff. It made total sense to investigate Russian interference and zero sense to investigate Trump collusion.

I recall a wise senior member of the forums saying to wait until we see the results from Muller and we should do the same for Durham. Keep in mind that the IG investigation clearly left off that there were some actions that had an appearance of bias but they could not prove intent and that they were thwarted because they didn't have subpoena power. Based on that report, it makes sense that it should be further investigated. What will they find? I don't know.

[CountValentine]

The connection to Trump was absolutely a hoax. There was zero indication of it other than the stuff the Clinton campaign made up and the lies consistently repeated by Schiff. It made total sense to investigate Russian interference and zero sense to investigate Trump collusion.

I recall a wise senior member of the forums saying to wait until we see the results from Muller and we should do the same for Durham. Keep in mind that the IG investigation clearly left off that there were some actions that had an appearance of bias but they could not prove intent and that they were thwarted because they didn't have subpoena power. Based on that report, it makes sense that it should be further investigated. What will they find? I don't know.

The Durham investigation has been going on longer than Mullers investigation with zero results except for a low-level conviction. Now contrast that with the Muller investigation with several high-ranking convictions.

You pretend to be objective, but you are anything but. That explains why you despise my goalpost standards.

The Muller investigation was carried out professionally. It was to get to the facts and that is what it did. There was no "hoax".

ETA: Also let's not rewrite history.
"Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the (Mueller) report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as 'difficult issues' of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction," Barr wrote. "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

[aygart]

The Durham investigation has been going on longer than Mullers investigation with zero results except for a low-level conviction. Now contrast that with the Muller investigation with several high-ranking convictions.

You pretend to be objective, but you are anything but. That explains why you despise my goalpost standards.

The Muller investigation was carried out professionally. It was to get to the facts and that is what it did. There was no "hoax".

one major distinction between the 2 is the lack of leaks from Durham. We have no clue at all where anything there is headed. You are again conflating Russian interference which absolutely occurred to Trumps collusion which was a hoax.  Even the convictions were not about anything they did having to do with the elections They were all either about their actions within the investigation itself or entirely unrelated items such as tax issues. So we have Russian interference and the Russian operatives who were indicted but are at large (which is a major success of the investigation) and convictions that have nothing to do with the original reasoning for the investigation. So, Russian interference-real problem and needs to be taken care of. Trump collusion-total hoax. Meuller investigation-successful about interference. Dems rhetoric about it-toal hoax.

[imayid2]

Seems some are oblivious to the fact there are 25-30mm unbanked/underbanked people in this country. A checking/savings account is easy to get. Now don't start with the questions why they don't have an account. I am just giving you the facts.

So should we not require ID requirements at banks? Those people don’t want one, or don’t care enough to expand the effort to get one. The reality is that anyone who wants a bank account can get one.
It’s not voter suppression if people don’t care to expand minimal effort to vote. It simply means they don’t care enough to vote. Convincing those people that they should vote shouldn’t come at the expense of voter integrity.

[aygart]

ETA: Also let's not rewrite history.
"Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the (Mueller) report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as 'difficult issues' of law and fact concerning whether the President's actions and intent could be viewed as obstruction," Barr wrote. "The Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.'"

That there may have been obstruction afterwards does not change that the original charge of collusion was a hoax. You keep on bringing unrelated issues to show that something else wasn't a hoax. Why are you trying to obfuscate things like this? Do you have anything to show about Trump collusion or are you going to just keep going to side shows?

[CountValentine]

one major distinction between the 2 is the lack of leaks from Durham. We have no clue at all where anything there is headed. You are again conflating Russian interference which absolutely occurred to Trumps collusion which was a hoax.  Even the convictions were not about anything they did having to do with the elections They were all either about their actions within the investigation itself or entirely unrelated items such as tax issues. So we have Russian interference and the Russian operatives who were indicted but are at large (which is a major success of the investigation) and convictions that have nothing to do with the original reasoning for the investigation. So, Russian interference-real problem and needs to be taken care of. Trump collusion-total hoax. Meuller investigation-successful about interference. Dems rhetoric about it-toal hoax.

This was the Trump admin appointed investigation. There were investigating crimes which they found several high-ranking Trump officials committed. Now you can spin it any way you want but those are the facts.

The D's had nothing to do with appointing the SP.

So far, the Durham investigation has been a complete bust.

[CountValentine]

That there may have been obstruction afterwards does not change that the original charge of collusion was a hoax. You keep on bringing unrelated issues to show that something else wasn't a hoax. Why are you trying to obfuscate things like this? Do you have anything to show about Trump collusion or are you going to just keep going to side shows?

If something doesn't get the results you want then it is a "hoax". That is pure ignorance if someone believes that.

Ignorance: lack of knowledge, education, or awareness.

[imayid2]

The D's had nothing to do with appointing the SP.

You are denying reality.
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/10/527817877/democrats-call-for-special-prosecutor-to-lead-russia-probe-after-comeys-firing
https://news.wttw.com/2017/05/10/democrats-call-special-prosecutor-after-fbi-s-comey-fired
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/senate-democrats-call-for-special-prosecutor-after-comey-firing/

[CountValentine]

You are denying reality.
https://www.npr.org/2017/05/10/527817877/democrats-call-for-special-prosecutor-to-lead-russia-probe-after-comeys-firing
https://news.wttw.com/2017/05/10/democrats-call-special-prosecutor-after-fbi-s-comey-fired

You are twisting reality. They can call for whatever they want. They were not in charge. They had no say so.
The SP was appointed by the Trump admin.

[aygart]

If something doesn't get the results you want then it is a "hoax". That is pure ignorance if someone believes that.

Ignorance: lack of knowledge, education, or awareness.

The hoax is in the origins. Schiff's blather was a hoax. The Steele report was a hoax. The Clinton Campaigns attempts to kickstart an investigation were a hoax.

[aygart]

This was the Trump admin appointed investigation. There were investigating crimes which they found several high-ranking Trump officials committed. Now you can spin it any way you want but those are the facts.

The D's had nothing to do with appointing the SP.

So far, the Durham investigation has been a complete bust.

So what?

[CountValentine]

The hoax is in the origins. Schiff's blather was a hoax. The Steele report was a hoax. The Clinton Campaigns attempts to kickstart an investigation were a hoax.

So the Muller's investigation was not a "hoax"?

[aygart]

So the Muller's investigation was not a "hoax"?

Have you even read what I wrote? Or are you
 just arguing for the sake of arguing?

So, Russian interference-real problem and needs to be taken care of. Trump collusion-total hoax. Meuller investigation-successful about interference. Dems rhetoric about it-toal hoax.

[CountValentine]

Have you even read what I wrote? Or are you
 just arguing for the sake of arguing?

I don't care about the D's talking point. I care about the investigation. I am glad you agree the Muller investigation was not a "hoax".

[aygart]

I don't care about the D's talking point. I care about the investigation. I am glad you agree the Muller investigation was not a "hoax".

You can care about whatever you want. That doesn't make someone who is discussing other things any less correct.

It was the pressure from their talking points that pressured Sessions into starting the special prosecutor when it could and should have been done by regular DOJ procedures. Should he have sttod up to the pressure? Maybe, but that does not change that the pressure was a relevant thing. It also does not change that there is a good reason to believe that some in FBI were more than willing to go along with the Dems hoax.

[CountValentine]

You can care about whatever you want. That doesn't make someone who is discussing other things any less correct.

It was the pressure from their talking points that pressured Sessions into starting the special prosecutor when it could and should have been done by regular DOJ procedures. Should he have sttod up to the pressure? Maybe, but that does not change that the pressure was a relevant thing. It also does not change that there is a good reason to believe that some in FBI were more than willing to go along with the Dems hoax.

As long as you agreed the Muller investigation was not a "hoax" we are the same page.

[aygart]

As long as you agreed the Muller investigation was not a "hoax" we are the same page.

SO now after you insisted on going fr a walk with Chaim into a totally irrelevant conversation,

Considering what the Ds did with the Russian interference last time I don't blame them for not wanting to go through it again.

Yes there was Russian interference and they then spent 4 years on the hoax that Trump colluded with them.
Of course it isn't one sided. They are both very happy for anything fraudulent to occur if it keeps them in power.

[CountValentine]

SO now after you insisted on going fr a walk with Chaim into a totally irrelevant conversation,

Why do you keep going on and on when we both agree the Muller investigation was not a "hoax".
I care about the investigations and will call out the ED's or anyone else who calls them a hoax.