Are you an election denier?

[CountValentine]

Nice graph but it doesn't say why. 70% of R's believe the big lie of election fraud. That is the definition of ED that is being used. The other times they blamed the system (electoral college, Russian interference and or Comey speech) and not voter fraud.

When they claim A got more votes than B, they are 100% correct but to blame the EC is wrong. You don't like the system then work to change it.

When you say Russia interfered you are probably correct but that isn't voter fraud.

When you say Comey speech impacted the outcome of the election that is 50/50 but still isn't voter fraud.

 

[YitzyS]

the chart posted shows it’s mostly the same. Plus it kinda sleezy. Using different polls based on his agenda. And putting two polls in the last to make it seem worse.

It's also not fair because the first two were legitimate while the third was truly not. 

[zh cohen]

Plus it kinda sleezy. Using different polls based on his agenda. And putting two polls in the last to make it seem worse.

Also skipped Obama

[yuneeq]

Nice graph but it doesn't say why. 70% of R's believe the big lie of election fraud. That is the definition of ED that is being used. The other times they blamed the system (electoral college, Russian interference and or Comey speech) and not voter fraud.

When they claim A got more votes than B, they are 100% correct but to blame the EC is wrong. You don't like the system then work to change it.

When you say Russia interfered you are probably correct but that isn't voter fraud.

When you say Comey speech impacted the outcome of the election that is 50/50 but still isn't voter fraud.

IIUC, election denial is fine as long as it’s not a claim of voter fraud? Or is any election denial considered election denial, and we don’t move the goalposts?

[CountValentine]

IIUC, election denial is fine as long as it’s not a claim of voter fraud? Or is any election denial considered election denial, and we don’t move the goalposts?

No you are not understanding correctly. Saying the president is illegitimate for whatever reason is wrong and I will call them out for it. Example: HRC won the popular vote, so Trump is illegitimate. No, he was the duly elected president. If you don't agree the with the current system, then work to change it.

The latest buzzword ED is talking about 50mm+ R's that believe in the big lie that the election was stolen due to voter fraud.

 

[WAM]

What do you mean by "compromised"?

That Trump legally would have won had all the laws of the election been followed.

If I believe it's possible that the election was compromised Trump legally would have won had all the laws of the election been followed, do I qualify as an election denier?

[joe1234]

Election in most states and county’s were completely without voter fraud, it’s only in the few big city’s where democrats had a stronghold and didn’t let in the Republican voting watchers in, is where a lot of republicans believe there was voter fraud. You wouldn’t let a random person put something in your mouth with your eyes closed so why let that happen in voting… that’s besides all the interesting anomalies… so the voting system is mostly good, it’s just the small loopholes in large cities that can change an election that people have problems with and want laws for election security. Interestingly enough it’s the democrats who don’t want the election security… doesn’t help much in making half the country feel safe in an election…

[joe1234]

Another issue is that a lot of republicans at first were just skeptical about the elections with all of the anomalies, it’s only when the democrats started name shaming them as election deniers and they said “there’s nothing to see here”, when it solidified their belief that the election was stolen. 

[yakov116]

Interestingly enough it’s the democrats who don’t want the election security… doesn’t help much in making half the country feel safe in an election…

THIS

[Yehuda57]

it’s only in the few big city’s where democrats had a stronghold and didn’t let in the Republican voting watchers in,

Where did this happen?

[joe1234]

Where did this happen?

Nothing came up on Google…. Had to search on DuckDuckGo…
Let’s start with this.
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/11/judge-orders-philadelphia-counting-center-to-allow-republican-observers/

[YitzyS]

What election?

[biobook]

Election in most states and county’s were completely without voter fraud, it’s only in the few big city’s where democrats had a stronghold and didn’t let in the Republican voting watchers in, is where a lot of republicans believe there was voter fraud.

So in the previous 58 presidential elections everything was just hunky-dory, and it's only in 2020 that significant fraud occurred, and then only by one party?

[aygart]

So in the previous 58 presidential elections everything was just hunky-dory, and it's only in 2020 that significant fraud occurred, and then only by one party?

Comeon. They have been making these claims for years.

[biobook]

Comeon. They have been making these claims for years.

Really?  70% of Republicans have been claiming that when a Democrat wins it could only have been due to fraud?  I don't recall this ever happening.

[joe1234]

So in the previous 58 presidential elections everything was just hunky-dory, and it's only in 2020 that significant fraud occurred, and then only by one party?

Are you saying that it can/will never happen? With that attitude it DEFINITELY will happen… again…

[Yehuda57]

Nothing came up on Google…. Had to search on DuckDuckGo…
Let’s start with this.
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/11/judge-orders-philadelphia-counting-center-to-allow-republican-observers/

Forgive me, but a Google search shows that not only were Republicans allowed in to observe in Philadelphia, just as democrats were, but the process was *livestreamed*. Even in the court precedings mentioned in the article posted, Trump's team concedes that there were equal amounts of observers there.

[biobook]

Are you saying that it can/will never happen? With that attitude it DEFINITELY will happen… again…

On the contrary.  I'm saying it can and has happened that there will be fraud, and therefore there have been mechanisms put in place to prevent it.  In depth research has always shown that fraud is rare and almost always insufficient to change the results.

I'm saying that if you want to claim that voter fraud has occurred only when Democrats win, then you need to also examine the case when Republicans win.

And I'm saying that my attitude, whatever that may be, is not the cause of voter fraud.

[biobook]

Nothing came up on Google…. Had to search on DuckDuckGo…
Let’s start with this.
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/11/judge-orders-philadelphia-counting-center-to-allow-republican-observers/

This is a report from the day of vote counting, when Republican observers argued that they should be allowed within 6 feet of the counters because they wanted to see the votes and the envelope markings.  But a) that's not the role of the observers (to see the actual ballot) and b) such crowding was not allowed due to covid.  The observers were allowed in, but needed to be 100 feet away, from where they could watch what was happening and contact the appropriate authorities if they saw irregularities. 

Here's a description of the room where it happened, written a few weeks after the hectic days of counting and court cases.
https://billypenn.com/2020/11/16/vote-counting-convention-center-philadelphia-ballots-poll-watchers-trump-commissioners/

[zh cohen]

So in the previous 58 presidential elections everything was just hunky-dory, and it's only in 2020 that significant fraud occurred, and then only by one party?

Hmm, let's think what was different about this election than the past 58.

Was it the fact that safeguards that were put in place to prevent fraud were unilaterally and oftentimes unlawfully removed?

Or was there a major increase in the form of voting that the radical right wing former president (Jimmy Carter) said was most susceptible to fraud?