Biden's Student Debt Relief Plan

[yuneeq]

Taxes are necessary for our government to work under our constitution. I do not believe all taxes are fair, but you can put me in the ED/NC/GOON club if I make the jump to they are theft.

Many religions require part of your income to given away and in some cases to them. I am sure some members of various religions feel that is unfair. I would not call them thieves, would you?

If the religion is running the state, yes it's theft. If you have the freedom to decide to follow that religion, contributing is voluntary.

[CountValentine]

If the religion is running the state, yes it's theft. If you have the freedom to decide to follow that religion, contributing is voluntary.

We can play these games all day long. You don't like the tax system then move to another country. You have the freedom to move. Everything is a choice. Some choices are just harder than others.

Many felt PPP loan foreignness was unfair. Was that stealing?

What about the bailouts for any industry over the years? Was that all stealing?

The point remains the government is giving out money (credits/aid/forgiveness/ect) they don't have. The complaints are falling right along political lines.

[yuneeq]

We can play these games all day long. You don't like the tax system then move to another country. You have the freedom to move. Everything is a choice. Some choices are just harder than others.

Many felt PPP loan foreignness was unfair. Was that stealing?

What about the bailouts for any industry over the years? Was that all stealing?

The point remains the government is giving out money (credits/aid/forgiveness/ect) they don't have. The complaints are falling right along political lines.

For you everything is a game. This is just my opinion and has been for many years. PPP loan forgiveness is theft. Some might say that the gov shut them down so they deserve it. In my view, if you believe the gov shutdown was unjust, then that’s a separate discussion of how the government stole from you or forced you to lose money. It has no bearing on the PPP forgiveness being unjust.

[imayid2]

Many religions require part of your income to given away and in some cases to them. I am sure some members of various religions feel that is unfair. I would not call them thieves, would you?

If they don’t believe in their religion they should choose a different one. And they should take Biden and Pelosi with them, they opted out of theirs and need a new one too.

[CountValentine]

For you everything is a game. This is just my opinion and has been for many years. PPP loan forgiveness is theft. Some might say that the gov shut them down so they deserve it. In my view, if you believe the gov shutdown was unjust, then that’s a separate discussion of how the government stole from you or forced you to lose money. It has no bearing on the PPP forgiveness being unjust.

It isn't a game to me. It is simple math that I was taught by my parents, and I have taught my kids.
The government budget is just like a family budget. There are hard choices to be made. There are things that are unfair but that does not mean theft. 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Some opinions are seen as radical or ED/NC/GOON worthy by others. That is just their opinion.   

[CountValentine]

If they don’t believe in their religion they should choose a different one.

I agree. Why would someone want to belong to a religion that are thieves? 

[imayid2]

I agree. Why would someone want to belong to a religion that are thieves? 

Unless believing in their religion equals believing that giving x is their god mandated moral obligation to society. Hard to call thievery what you give because you profess to believe is mandated from heaven.

[imayid2]

@CV has consistently pointed out that the will of the people aren’t represented by the government. So we essentially have taxation without representation do we not? Is that a form of theft?
If we had a national vote on eliminating income tax for the middle class, what do you think the results would be?

[CountValentine]

Unless believing in their religion equals believing that giving x is their god mandated moral obligation to society. Hard to call thievery what you give because you profess to believe is mandated from heaven.

So all the government needs to do is say it is a mandate from heaven and we are all good?

[CountValentine]

If we had a national vote on eliminating income tax for the middle class, what do you think the results would be?

Higher taxes for the rich?

[imayid2]

So all the government needs to do is say it is a mandate from heaven and we are all good?

Not if we don’t believe it.

[CountValentine]

Is Bidens student debt relief unfair - YES
Were other relief programs (take your pick) unfair - YES
Is most of the complaints along political lines - YES
Are we done - YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! 

[yuneeq]

It isn't a game to me. It is simple math that I was taught by my parents, and I have taught my kids.
The government budget is just like a family budget. There are hard choices to be made. There are things that are unfair but that does not mean theft. 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Some opinions are seen as radical or ED/NC/GOON worthy by others. That is just their opinion.

It’s not egregious to describe my opinion on taxes as “radical” but like many of my opinions, it’s far from the political lines

[CountValentine]

It’s not egregious to describe my opinion on taxes as “radical” but like many of my opinions, it’s far from the political lines

IMHO saying taxes is theft is radical.

You have an inherent belief that taxes collected are all fully justified, and therefore any tax relief is a gift from the government. But that’s backwards. Taxation is theft. Any tax relief is simply a lack of theft.

[yuneeq]

IMHO saying taxes is theft is radical.

Read again what you’re quoting, doesn’t bother me to call it radical.

How about public school. Should it be free for everyone or should it be a welfare program based on income? Do the parties argue about this?

[aygart]

It isn't a game to me. It is simple math that I was taught by my parents, and I have taught my kids.
The government budget is just like a family budget. There are hard choices to be made. There are things that are unfair but that does not mean theft. 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Some opinions are seen as radical or ED/NC/GOON worthy by others. That is just their opinion.   

Which family has the option to just take away money from people to help them with their budget?

[CountValentine]

Read again what you’re quoting, doesn’t bother me to call it radical.

Ok, I did. What am I looking for? My reading is you make it clear that taxation is theft, no?

How about public school. Should it be free for everyone or should it be a welfare program based on income? Do the parties argue about this?

Paying for public schools is not fair for some.
IMHO that is a service the government should provide.
They always argue about that.

[yuneeq]

Ok, I did. What am I looking for? My reading is you make it clear that taxation is theft, no?

Seemed like you thought I was disagreeing.

Paying for public schools is not fair for some.
IMHO that is a service the government should provide.
They always argue about that.

Why do you think the government should provide schooling, and why should it be free for millionaires and billionaires?

[CountValentine]

Why do you think the government should provide schooling, and why should it be free for millionaires and billionaires?

Every child should have an education to help function in our society. It should not be dependent on if a parent can afford one. I feel the same about healthcare, but we are getting way off base now. As far as those that can afford to pay, I am open on that one.

Seemed like you thought I was disagreeing.

We might have different thoughts we are trying to get across. I disagree with you that taxation is theft, it is not theft. IMHO the belief that taxation is theft would fall under radical ideas.

[yuneeq]

Every child should have an education to help function in our society. It should not be dependent on if a parent can afford one. I feel the same about healthcare, but we are getting way off base now. As far as those that can afford to pay, I am open on that one.

I think it's fair to have the government provide free or subsidized schooling for those that can't afford it, but it should be a welfare program that subsidizes based on income, like most govt handouts. I'm not sure if there's a benefit of govt providing the actual education though.