future of education in the state of NJ

[gozalim]

I'm all for this if it forces mesivtas to teach secular studies

didn't take you for one of those

[flyingace]

We pay taxes that fund public school students at a cost of $24,583 per student. We are requesting vouchers for private school children at a cost of $13,340 per child. Why isn’t that fair? Each child that doesn’t go to public school saves the district more than the cost of private school.

These numbers are taken directly from the uenj.org website.

Of course it's fair, but you need to sell it to the world at large.  The ads I saw talk about the high tuition rates and say we need help. Made me cringe.

[Euclid]

What do you think that will look like in most small mesivtas?

Is there a reason why we have 57,000 mesivtas? Why can't there be a few big ones with multiple shiurim? It worked until 10 years ago.

[Euclid]

didn't take you for one of those

I'm actually pretty passionate about it.

[aygart]

Is there a reason why we have 57,000 mesivtas? Why can't there be a few big ones with multiple shiurim? It worked until 10 years ago.

Maybe we don't but that is the way it is right now.

[aygart]

I'm actually pretty passionate about it.

My experience is that the local GED programs are better than most mesivta English programs.

[Euclid]

My experience is that the local GED programs are better than most mesivta English programs.

But how does an average bachur make time for it, and still do well in yeshiva?

(I only care about it because of my own kids, otherwise I couldn't care less...)

[aygart]

But how does an average bachur make time for it, and still do well in yeshiva?

(I only care about it because of my own kids, otherwise I couldn't care less...)

Once a week on Friday or motzei shabbos.

This is my experience with 3 boys. 2 went to a Friday program and one had in mesivta.

[Euclid]

Once a week on Friday or motzei shabbos.

Hmmm interesting. My oldest boy is 6 - I'll keep it in mind iyh.

[JMHO]

Is there a reason why we have 57,000 mesivtas? Why can't there be a few big ones with multiple shiurim? It worked until 10 years ago.

More people needed to open Yeshivas for their Eidem 

[yesitsme]

Is there a reason why we have 57,000 mesivtas? Why can't there be a few big ones with multiple shiurim? It worked until 10 years ago.

What do you want the rosh hayeshivas to do?

[Pony]

I'm all for this if it forces mesivtas to teach secular studies

From looking into this for the first time now for my son, it seems like the only way to have a high level of learning with a decent secular studies department is to send out of town.

[gozalim]

I'm actually pretty passionate about it.

you support government intrusion into yeshiva curriculum?

[Euclid]

From looking into this for the first time now for my son, it seems like the only way to have a high level of learning with a decent secular studies department is to send out of town.

Concerning

[yesitsme]

And his last name?

I spelled it correctly unfortunately the auto-correct messed up

[Euclid]

you support government intrusion into yeshiva curriculum?

I'm passionate about getting a secular education for my sons. I don't like the trend of the past 10 years where they cut it out of mesivtas.

My hope is that since this isn't a communal "shitah" (like chassidishe communities), rather just inertia - that it would be easier to get mesivtas to offer it again.

[gozalim]

I'm passionate about getting a secular education for my sons. I don't like the trend of the past 10 years where they cut it out of mesivtas. 

that part I have no problem with.

or was this

I'm all for this if it forces mesivtas to teach secular studies

something you hoped Louee was gonna enforce? is this a pet peeve of his?

[aygart]

From looking into this for the first time now for my son, it seems like the only way to have a high level of learning with a decent secular studies department is to send out of town.

There are a handful of exceptions depending on the boy but mostly true.

[jye]

From looking into this for the first time now for my son, it seems like the only way to have a high level of learning with a decent secular studies department is to send out of town.

True even in the “high level English” Lakewood mesivtas. That being said, the vast majority of smart litvish Lakewood boys who read extensively outside of school do just fine when/ if they have to obtain a degree later on in life.

[aygart]

From looking into this for the first time now for my son, it seems like the only way to have a high level of learning with a decent secular studies department is to send out of town.

My experience is that the local GED programs are better than most mesivta English programs.