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Expired pantry items
« on: September 04, 2022, 11:13:21 AM »
How far past expiration date would you go with sealed pantry items? Eg mustard, peanut butter, bbq sauce etc

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2022, 11:15:01 AM »
A year or two at least

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2022, 11:43:18 AM »
with or without my wife's knowledge?

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2022, 12:06:14 PM »
with or without my wife's knowledge?
;D  Exactly!  Actually, there is no set deadline. 
Test #1: check pop up center of lid (whatever caused the air to expand to bulge the lid may cause your stomach to expand, too.)
Test #2: smell.  If ok, then
Test #3: look for discoloration
Test #4: taste

Items which contain oil (like peanut butter) will come to have a rancid smell/taste, items that are acidic (tomato based products, orange juice) will become dark and more acidic which can eat away at any metal/silver color on the packaging.  If you want to save an acidic product, just add a pinch or two of baking soda.  Works like a charm to balance the PH and neutralize the taste!  This also works to reverse sour, acidic milk/soups into normal tasting products.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2022, 12:45:35 PM »
How about jams?

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2022, 04:01:52 PM »
;D  Exactly!  Actually, there is no set deadline. 
Test #1: check pop up center of lid (whatever caused the air to expand to bulge the lid may cause your stomach to expand, too.)
Test #2: smell.  If ok, then
Test #3: look for discoloration
Test #4: taste

@ushdadude asked about sealed containers, which I take to mean never-opened.
A never-opened jar with center of lid popped up, or a can that's bulging should be tossed immediately.  Don't open it, don't smell, don't taste.  It could be contaminated with botulinum bacteria which produce gas as they grow, causing the container to swell.  The gas isn't unhealthy, but they also produce a toxin which can be fatal in people who've had just minute quantities.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2022, 04:05:29 PM »
Really?
Yeshiva (in Israel) used to buy expired products in bulk to save money
When i complained about it their response was you spoiled American expired doesn't mean much you really think it becomes dangerous overnight
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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2022, 04:11:48 PM »
How about jams?
Among the foods you mention, jam seems least likely to be problematic, since the high sugar content prevents growth of most microbes.

With peanut butter, I would be concerned not only with rancidity, but also mold, which may not be obviously visible.

As srap says, the dates aren't a firm deadline, but give a general idea of when the food becomes less tasty and less healthy.  These declines will also depend on the temperature in which the food was stored, with food degrading more quickly in the heat, even in unopened containers.

What I personally do in cases like this is to calculate (a) the cost of all these items, and (b) how much I'd be willing to pay to avoid a really bad gastrointestinal disease, and since (b) is always greater than (a), I would toss them.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2022, 04:13:46 PM »

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2022, 04:48:08 PM »
@ushdadude asked about sealed containers, which I take to mean never-opened.
A never-opened jar with center of lid popped up, or a can that's bulging should be tossed immediately.  Don't open it, don't smell, don't taste.  It could be contaminated with botulinum bacteria which produce gas as they grow, causing the container to swell.  The gas isn't unhealthy, but they also produce a toxin which can be fatal in people who've had just minute quantities.
I agree.  That is why I put it as test #1.  Sorry for the confusion.  If test #1 is bad, stop and throw out.  If not, go to #2.  If test #2 is bad, throw out.  If not, go to test #3. etc.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2022, 04:50:54 PM »
@ushdadude asked about sealed containers, which I take to mean never-opened.
A never-opened jar with center of lid popped up, or a can that's bulging should be tossed immediately.  Don't open it, don't smell, don't taste.  It could be contaminated with botulinum bacteria which produce gas as they grow, causing the container to swell.  The gas isn't unhealthy, but they also produce a toxin which can be fatal in people who've had just minute quantities.
Any shelf life of a jarred or canned item is dependent on the seal being intact. If the button is up then the seal is broken.
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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2022, 04:52:46 PM »
How about jams?
The sugar may crystalize when the jam dehydrates over time, but as @biobook stated, the sugar acts as a preservative and it should be fine for a very long time.   Go in order of the tests above.  BTW, heating it up should reliquify it.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2022, 05:53:13 PM »
What about over the counter medications ?

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2022, 06:44:08 PM »
I have regularly used tuna fish cans that expired 5-10 years prior and in hundreds of cans I had an issue with 1 or 2 bulging - those were immediately thrown away

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2022, 07:09:54 PM »
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With peanut butter, I would be concerned not only with rancidity, but also mold, which may not be obviously visible.

As srap says, the dates aren't a firm deadline, but give a general idea of when the food becomes less tasty and less healthy.  These declines will also depend on the temperature in which the food was stored, with food degrading more quickly in the heat, even in unopened containers.
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If people are really concerned with mold, they probably shouldn't be eating any peanuts or peanut butter to begin with. In any case, test #4 is the taste test in case it is sour, bitter or odd tasting.

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2022, 07:16:03 PM »
I have regularly used tuna fish cans that expired 5-10 years prior and in hundreds of cans I had an issue with 1 or 2 bulging - those were immediately thrown away
Where are you getting these?  Why did nobody want to eat them in the past 5-10 years?

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2022, 07:32:50 PM »
What about over the counter medications ?
Like with food, the date doesn't mean that it falls apart the next day.  It means that until that date, the manufacturer guarantees that it works and it's safe; after that, not necessarily.

One study actually tested some drugs and found that 15 years after the "use by" date, the medicines still had about 90% of the original amount of drug.  But we usually take drugs when we're sick, and we want to be 100% certain that what we're taking is going to work, so it's not a good idea to keep expired drugs.

If it's late at night, I develop an annoying pain, and I notice that the only aspirin/tylenol/advil I have has expired a year ago, I would take it anyway, and the next day I would buy fresh, unexpired pills.  For more serious conditions, I wouldn't use the expired pills.

Some drugs should never be used after expiration date: insulin, liquid antibiotics, nitroglycerin.  They either become less effective, or turn into something dangerous.

Going through the medicine cabinet and tossing expired pills is part of Pesach cleaning, no?

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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2022, 08:11:18 PM »
If people are really concerned with mold, they probably shouldn't be eating any peanuts or peanut butter to begin with.

Mold in all peanut butter? Where do you get this from?
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Re: Expired pantry items
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2022, 10:04:17 PM »
We stored the natural peanut butter upside-down (life hack) so now we the oil is on bottom. But the top is super super thick and hard