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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #240 on: September 05, 2022, 09:04:06 PM »
YWN

They want you to stop relying on them because the were ignored

Typical YWN narcissism to make this about them. Give us the scoop or weíll besmirch you for not replying to us. Are they really in it leshem shomayim and to protect The Peopleís interests? Somehow Iím not so sure.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #241 on: September 05, 2022, 09:05:20 PM »
Iím not sure if the case you cite is comparable, that one is lechatchila with food that is known to be treif. This is bdieved with food that was presumed to be Kosher.

If it was revealed to be a 100% treif? In both cases it was treif with no sin.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #242 on: September 05, 2022, 09:05:28 PM »
and ensuring one would never have to face that again.
I would think the mouth is more important to ensure than the dish.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #243 on: September 05, 2022, 09:05:52 PM »
All good and fine, but as seen in CLE and Monsey, frum and seemingly ehriche yidden are fully capable of this as well, with top notch hechsherim behind them.

Apply the Shmuel Munkes test.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #244 on: September 05, 2022, 09:06:04 PM »
Typical YWN narcissism to make this about them. Give us the scoop or weíll besmirch you for not replying to us. Are they really in it leshem shomayim and to protect The Peopleís interests? Somehow Iím not so sure.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #245 on: September 05, 2022, 09:06:24 PM »
It left doubt for me. Which is why I am here, dissecting their statement. But thank for clearing that up.

The situation is distressing enough, the least they can do is offer some transparency.

Transparency would be nice, but they have to communicate effectively and perhaps some damage control too (if itís anything that could make them look bad or like they failed at their job, more than what has come out already). In any case Iím confident more details will be forthcoming in due time, from them or otherwise.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #246 on: September 05, 2022, 09:08:07 PM »
If it was revealed to be a 100% treif? In both cases it was treif with no sin.

I donít know if the sin aspect and the טמטום הלב aspect come hand-in-hand. Just because one canít be held accountable for not knowing, doesnít mean their body didnít ingest not Kosher food.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #247 on: September 05, 2022, 09:09:56 PM »
Apply the Shmuel Munkes test.

One thingís for sure, Shmuel Munkesí cholent wasnít pareve :P

(Then again, not sure they could afford fleishigs on a regular week)
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #248 on: September 05, 2022, 09:10:17 PM »
I donít know if the sin aspect and the טמטום הלב aspect come hand-in-hand. Just because one canít be held accountable for not knowing, doesnít mean their body didnít ingest not Kosher food.

Exactly my point. טמטום הלב is מטבע מאכלות אסורות, regardless of not being at fault.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #249 on: September 05, 2022, 09:11:46 PM »
Forwarded

don't understand how you can trust the ok after this... the family owns another 2 kosher restaurants one in Brooklyn and one in Fairlawn and the OK just says that they are very much kosher?!

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #250 on: September 05, 2022, 09:11:50 PM »
טמטום הלב is מטבע מאכלות אסורות, regardless of not being at fault.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #252 on: September 05, 2022, 09:13:24 PM »
Are there levels of טמטום הלב? Once your לב is מטומטם can it get worse? Asking for someone who grew up in Monsey and ate in Manalapan Chinese a few weeks ago :(

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #253 on: September 05, 2022, 09:13:44 PM »
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Correct, hence my asking for a source in Reb Moshe's writings.

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #254 on: September 05, 2022, 09:13:57 PM »
Ungers CLE donuts cost a $1.50 or $2 and are humongous, taste delicious, and have plenty of filling.
Donuts in NYC can cost $5, $8, or even $10 and can be stingy with filling and taste blah.

Time to investigate?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #255 on: September 05, 2022, 09:15:07 PM »
Sephardi selichot gonna be packed tomorrow
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #256 on: September 05, 2022, 09:17:21 PM »
don't understand how you can trust the ok after this... the family owns another 2 kosher restaurants one in Brooklyn and one in Fairlawn and the OK just says that they are very much kosher?!
Your sure?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #257 on: September 05, 2022, 09:17:38 PM »
If the guy was serving treif the books might be cooked too, youíd have to be able to confirm invoices with suppliers.

I would expect that to be SOP (at least on a random periodical audit).
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #258 on: September 05, 2022, 09:17:54 PM »
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #259 on: September 05, 2022, 09:18:26 PM »
Sephardi selichot gonna be packed tomorrow

As long as no kitniyos on Pesach there's no reason.
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