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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2022, 03:27:30 PM »
This is based on feelings, not halacha.
Nope, there is a rayisa to the Chezkas Kashrus!

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #41 on: September 05, 2022, 03:28:14 PM »
Halacha says eid echad ne'eman b'issurin. The hechsher says there is no treif food and they are believed. Nothing more is needed.

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On the other hand, we don't know the 100% truth and these matters are very serious. In fact the OK did tell me that because of lack of trust (when questioning the owner) they wouldn't feel comfortable continuing with their supervision of the store.

Not sure why everyone is overreacting to the closure. According to this, even the OK does not trust the owner, and he isn't Jewish. Also the fact they don't trust him even with a mashgiach temidi sounds like the mashgiach isn't enough to override the lack of trust, and there may be other issues.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #42 on: September 05, 2022, 03:29:05 PM »

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #43 on: September 05, 2022, 03:29:26 PM »
What a loss his food was good  :'(

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #44 on: September 05, 2022, 03:30:22 PM »
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #45 on: September 05, 2022, 03:30:29 PM »
This is based on feelings, not halacha.

Nope, there is a rayisa to the Chezkas Kashrus!

The goy owner never had a chezkas kashrus, it's the hechser that we trust, and we are waiting on their findings and ruling, (can we use those meat from the freezer? If the food was warmed up in the microwave does it need to be kashered?) the FB post doesn't cut or pasken anything here.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2022, 03:35:10 PM »
Nope, there is a rayisa to the Chezkas Kashrus!
No there isn't. A goy buying tarfus when a yid says the food is kosher is not a rayisa on the yid's chezkas kashrus.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2022, 03:36:21 PM »
How many people who would normally go there will now say something like "why risk it, I'll just buy food in Lakewood". It can completely kill the financial viability of the business, he may as well cut his losses now instead of bleeding cash for a few months before closing down.
The store has been takeout only since COVID started and there have been extraordinarily long lines without visible volume to cause it, itís possible it was heading towards closure anyway. However itís super unlikely the owner made a split second decision to close up shop permanently just because of an allegation even if your svara is reasonable.

I would say itís much more likely thereís something more serious prompting it (possibly was going to close anyway and this is the makeh bepatish, or perhaps there is actually raglayim ladavar).
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2022, 03:36:31 PM »
Yes, the raiyisa is what needs to be cleared up with kashrus org. There is a issue that they need to clarify (if possible)

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2022, 03:38:08 PM »
This is based on feelings, not halacha.
You do realize Rí Reuvenís (and possibly Rí Mosheís) stance on kashrus/Ed Echad is a minority opinion, right? There are plenty of other poskim who have varying opinions as to why hechsherim exist and how far we rely on ed echad.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2022, 03:39:02 PM »
Halacha says eid echad ne'eman b'issurin. The hechsher says there is no treif food and they are believed. Nothing more is needed.
This is a complete distortion of the concept. The most the Hechsher can testify about is that they ensured conjuring under which you can assume it is kosher.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2022, 03:41:17 PM »
This is a complete distortion of the concept. The most the Hechsher can testify about is that they ensured conjuring under which you can assume it is kosher.
I think he is going with Rí Reuven Feinsteinís opinion on Ed Echad
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2022, 03:44:10 PM »
What a loss his food was good  :'(

Wow an establishment you ate from is under investigation for possibly selling treifos and what you cry for is their good food?

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2022, 03:46:07 PM »
Wow an establishment you ate from is under investigation for possibly selling treifos and what you cry for is their good food?
Still ignoring this?


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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2022, 03:49:24 PM »
Still ignoring this?

it's the hechser that we trust, and we are waiting on their findings and ruling, (can we use those meat from the freezer? If the food was warmed up in the microwave does it need to be kashered?) the FB post doesn't cut or pasken anything here.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2022, 03:49:47 PM »
I think he is going with Rí Reuven Feinsteinís opinion on Ed Echad
I don't think that changes anything in this case.
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2022, 03:52:54 PM »
This might be based on feelings,but ;Itís always better to buy from a establishment that is owned by a frum owner!!!

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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2022, 03:53:58 PM »
This might be based on feelings,but ;Itís always better to buy from a establishment that is owned by a frum owner!!!
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2022, 03:56:04 PM »
Still ignoring this?
I donít understand, the post clearly says that the OK no longer trusts the owner and would be removing their hechsher from the store (which may have caused the closure). How is this an exoneration of the store?
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Re: Manalapan Kosher Chinese Express Owner Buying Non-Kosher Chicken
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2022, 03:56:14 PM »

Have you contacted them? If you're expecting them to issue a statement to that effect, enjoy the wait.
Seems perfectly clear that an investigation has already been done over the past week or else they wouldn't have told GKRF that they are very confident that only kosher food was served.
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